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Given that many of our current-day subterranean environments are also covered in art and strewn with drug paraphernalia, can we really say that it played a key
by clickety_clack 22d ago
Given that many of our current-day subterranean environments are also covered in art and strewn with drug paraphernalia, can we really say that it played a key role in the rise of the civilization?
- dyauspitr 22d agoYou can 100% say that European civilization was heavily, heavily influenced by the consumption of alcohol.
- Gualdrapo 22d agoWhat do you mean "was"?
- kekebo 22d agoSupposedly there was a time when drinking beer was often safer than drinking water from available sources, including for children. I guess there are levels
- onlypassingthru 22d agoThey didn't make Arnold a saint for nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_of_Soissons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_of_Soissons
- AngryData 22d agoA lot of it was weaker small beer though too, like 1-2%.
- dyauspitr 22d agoEach person was going through a gallon a day though, that’s still 4-5 standard drinks which is a crazy amount to drink all day everyday.
- mitxela 22d agoSpread throughout the day you wouldn't be more than half a standard drink deep at a time in terms of psychological effects. Terrible for your liver though.
- gchamonlive 22d agoAll you can really say is that negligence is corrosive to civilization, and maybe that drugs act as an amplifier of sorts for society's illnesses and qualities.
- boogieknite 22d agocould also say a corroded civilization makes vulnerable people feel bad and drugs make them feel good
- TimTheTinker 22d agodrugs have been making people feel good (and messing with their sense of motivation to behave responsibly) regardless of society's state
- AdamN 22d agoThat's focusing on low class drug use. Elite drug use leaves a very different trail and has a different impact.
- gchamonlive 22d agoRight, and the elites can deal with it them selves, they have money. They are definitely not directly responsible for the "subterranean environments covered in art and strewn with drug paraphernalia".
- theplumber 22d agoYeah, like this zombie civilisation: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i2k7KQ5L5Jg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i2k7KQ5L5Jg I am not sure if you can say it’s raising or falling by their posture
- fhdkweig 22d agoMy spidy sense is tingling on this video. The related recommendations on the side include these videos: In particular it is the thumbnails that look identical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6NeLNYCGo0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6NeLNYCGo0 The Zombies Of America! (i have never seen anything like this..) by Frank van Dam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snN0PNZVWNA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snN0PNZVWNA Inside Philadelphia's Real Life Zombie Outbreak by Tyler Oliveira https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZCX1Y0ZiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZCX1Y0ZiA THE ZOMBIES OF AMERICA (I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS) by Joe HaTTab
- sophacles 22d agoYeah, it's really gross that coffee cups are left all over the place. But yeah, rise in caffeine consumption in place of ethanol is thought to have enabled and fueled the enlightenment, and been a major factor in the industrial revolution.
- clickety_clack 22d agoI meant the graffiti and needles in tunnels and under bridges etc.
- sophacles 22d agoI know what you meant. But the words you used apply to my reply too. It's a reminder that any attempt at an objective definition of "drugs" includes alcohol and caffeine, and that there is a huge cultural component to "good drugs" and "bad drugs". In fact, coffee was considered one of the bad drugs by many cultures it when first introduced to them - including European culture.
- krispyfi 22d ago"If I couldn't, three times a day, be allowed to drink my little cup of coffee, in my anguish I will turn into a shriveled-up roast goat" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweigt_stille%2C_plaudert_nicht%2C_BWV_211 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweigt_stille%2C_plaudert_ni...
- adaml_623 22d agoCorrelation and causation... I think there might be multiple groups in play there
- klrefg 22d agoLook up how much the signatories of the constitutional convention drank the night before signing the constitution. Alcohol consumption remained massive during the 1800s by our standards, people just drank we more than we do and probably more than in the 1600s and 1700s because distilled alcohol became cheap and widespread while you only had access to beer and wine before that.
- go_elmo 22d agofun fact - "drug" - german "droge" originally means "dried plant" - e.g. herbs, teas etc