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That I really don't get (and I experience it a lot using transit for my commute) . It seems more common now, but you'd think it would be less common. Headphones

That I really don't get (and I experience it a lot using transit for my commute) . It seems more common now, but you'd think it would be less common. Headphones used to be bulky things, now Bluetooth earbuds are tiny things easily put in your pocket -- why not use them?

TFNA 21d ago
Because fuck you, that's why. More seriously, whenever I ask a young person on public transport to use headphones (and luckily I live in a region where I can safely do that and enjoy some authority as an older person), the response is usually that the youth doesn't have headphones on him for whatever reason (doesn't own any, left them at home, whatever). But with the breakdown of this taboo, people don't feel that not having headphones should stop them from sweet TikTok dopamine.
- Melatonic 20d ago
  iPhones also have a horrible sound management system which is just finally getting better. People keep their phone on silent at all times for this reason. If from the start they had simply had separate volume controls for alarms / phone calls / media / alerts then I think this would not have become a trend.
  - TFNA 20d ago
    Complaints about loud audio on public transport are common in Europe, where the predominant phone OS is Android, not iPhones.
exitb 21d ago
In some places it's shameful to show one's hair, or to eat while you walk in public. In some, people don't think about those things at all. In others, the ability to do those things can be an expression of personal freedom. What you experience is a cultural difference.
- jhbadger 21d ago
  Well, not quite. Not showing your hair or not eating in public may have meaning in somebody's culture/religion, but it doesn't hurt anyone else either way. Playing video/music without earphones does. And surely people must have experienced it from the other side when people nearby were playing music they didn't care for. I think it is reasonable for people to ask themselves "Would I like it if someone near me did <X>?", and if the answer is 'No' to not do it themselves. Maybe this is "shame" or maybe simple empathy.
  - TFNA 21d ago
    Have you traveled Latin America? Loud audio in public is so normal there that immigrants to Europe often can't see what all this fuss is about when people complain about loud phones on public transport. This is very much a mutable cultural thing.
  - account42 21d ago
    Eating in public places not mean for eating subjects others to the smell of your food in the same way that listening to something on speaker subjects them to unwanted sound. Hijabs are more indirect but I would disagree that it doesn't affect others.
- tbrownaw 21d ago
  > What you experience is a cultural difference. In that not all cultures recognize causing negative externalities as a bad thing?
  - TFNA 21d ago
    Negative externalities is culturally dependent. The Japanese consider the sight of a person eating while walking to be a negative externality. Are we going to start complaining here on HN about people doing it? No, we recognize that those taboos vary across time and space.
    - jhbadger 20d ago

TFNA 21d ago

Because fuck you, that's why. More seriously, whenever I ask a young person on public transport to use headphones (and luckily I live in a region where I can safely do that and enjoy some authority as an older person), the response is usually that the youth doesn't have headphones on him for whatever reason (doesn't own any, left them at home, whatever). But with the breakdown of this taboo, people don't feel that not having headphones should stop them from sweet TikTok dopamine.

Melatonic 20d ago
iPhones also have a horrible sound management system which is just finally getting better. People keep their phone on silent at all times for this reason. If from the start they had simply had separate volume controls for alarms / phone calls / media / alerts then I think this would not have become a trend.
- TFNA 20d ago
  Complaints about loud audio on public transport are common in Europe, where the predominant phone OS is Android, not iPhones.

exitb 21d ago

In some places it's shameful to show one's hair, or to eat while you walk in public. In some, people don't think about those things at all. In others, the ability to do those things can be an expression of personal freedom. What you experience is a cultural difference.

jhbadger 21d ago
Well, not quite. Not showing your hair or not eating in public may have meaning in somebody's culture/religion, but it doesn't hurt anyone else either way. Playing video/music without earphones does. And surely people must have experienced it from the other side when people nearby were playing music they didn't care for. I think it is reasonable for people to ask themselves "Would I like it if someone near me did <X>?", and if the answer is 'No' to not do it themselves. Maybe this is "shame" or maybe simple empathy.
- TFNA 21d ago
  Have you traveled Latin America? Loud audio in public is so normal there that immigrants to Europe often can't see what all this fuss is about when people complain about loud phones on public transport. This is very much a mutable cultural thing.
- account42 21d ago
  Eating in public places not mean for eating subjects others to the smell of your food in the same way that listening to something on speaker subjects them to unwanted sound. Hijabs are more indirect but I would disagree that it doesn't affect others.
tbrownaw 21d ago
> What you experience is a cultural difference. In that not all cultures recognize causing negative externalities as a bad thing?
- TFNA 21d ago
  Negative externalities is culturally dependent. The Japanese consider the sight of a person eating while walking to be a negative externality. Are we going to start complaining here on HN about people doing it? No, we recognize that those taboos vary across time and space.
  - jhbadger 20d ago