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One of the most biased claims IMO in AI 2027 is that a huge portion of the geopolitical and existential risk argument is hinged on the notion that China just st

One of the most biased claims IMO in AI 2027 is that a huge portion of the geopolitical and existential risk argument is hinged on the notion that China just steals the US frontier weights.

Rover222 23d ago
Biased how? China has a long history of corporate espionage. Everyone knows the Chinese are capable of whatever they put their minds to. But stealing IP to skip some steps is part of the system.
- ramon156 23d ago
  good thing US is completely clean
  - Rover222 23d ago
    Of course it's a spectrum that all advanced countries exist on, but if you think China and the US are on the same end of the spectrum, that's strange.
    - sterlind 23d ago
      The US/China divide is one thing, but if I'm asked whether I trust OpenAI or Deepseek, as companies, more, I'm not sure how I'd answer. I suppose my default is to distrust whoever is in the lead, since the lead is power, and power corrupts.
      - Rover222 23d ago
        Yeah Sam Altman doesn't inspire trust. Dario and Musk are a bit better in this regard. I think they both say what they really think. Altman... no way.
- mcbuilder 23d ago
  Look what's coming out of China, they are catching up on performance and surpassing the US in efficiency. They're on a different level when it comes to open releases of weights. I don't, to me the entire premise is a bit flawed at it's core (ASI), and I read it like bad science fiction with China playing the bad guy just a narrative crux so we get to the acceleration timeline and warring nation states.
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- Ydarbleoj 23d ago
  That's what a lot of American companies say. Wait until you hear about Amazon's practices.
- psychoslave 23d ago
  What country is supposed to be counterexample here, with zero history of corporate espionnage?
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adt 23d ago
Anthropic documented even more proof of that yesterday: https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-september-2026#illicit-distillation-sep-26 https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-septemb...
- mcbuilder 23d ago
  Distillation is not infiltrating systems and exfiltrating weights.
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One of the most biased claims IMO in AI 2027 is that a huge portion of the geopolitical and existential risk argument is hinged on the notion that China just steals the US frontier weights.

Rover222 23d ago

Biased how? China has a long history of corporate espionage. Everyone knows the Chinese are capable of whatever they put their minds to. But stealing IP to skip some steps is part of the system.

ramon156 23d ago
good thing US is completely clean
- Rover222 23d ago
  Of course it's a spectrum that all advanced countries exist on, but if you think China and the US are on the same end of the spectrum, that's strange.
  - sterlind 23d ago
    The US/China divide is one thing, but if I'm asked whether I trust OpenAI or Deepseek, as companies, more, I'm not sure how I'd answer. I suppose my default is to distrust whoever is in the lead, since the lead is power, and power corrupts.
    - Rover222 23d ago
      Yeah Sam Altman doesn't inspire trust. Dario and Musk are a bit better in this regard. I think they both say what they really think. Altman... no way.
mcbuilder 23d ago
Look what's coming out of China, they are catching up on performance and surpassing the US in efficiency. They're on a different level when it comes to open releases of weights. I don't, to me the entire premise is a bit flawed at it's core (ASI), and I read it like bad science fiction with China playing the bad guy just a narrative crux so we get to the acceleration timeline and warring nation states.
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Ydarbleoj 23d ago
That's what a lot of American companies say. Wait until you hear about Amazon's practices.
psychoslave 23d ago
What country is supposed to be counterexample here, with zero history of corporate espionnage?
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adt 23d ago

Anthropic documented even more proof of that yesterday: https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-september-2026#illicit-distillation-sep-26 https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-septemb...

mcbuilder 23d ago
Distillation is not infiltrating systems and exfiltrating weights.

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