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The companies talking the most about safety and regulations aren't even properly taking the obvious measures. Shows that it's more of a marketing thing than som
by hgoel 1mo ago
The companies talking the most about safety and regulations aren't even properly taking the obvious measures. Shows that it's more of a marketing thing than something they take seriously.
- sheepscreek 1mo agoI don’t think it’s marketing alone. I do genuinely think safety was a priority when they were small. But I’d be a fool to ignore that greed has taken over and their inner competitiveness doesn’t let them fall behind a competitor. DeepSeek is maybe the only unique company here. They are content with exactly where they are. They don’t want to grow ginormous. Their goal is to be the affordable workhorse and their competition is with themselves. They’ve mentioned before how their business is profitable and all hardware costs get absorbed in 10 months. Pretty incredible. I have a ton of respect for their unassuming founder.
- F7F7F7 1mo ago"But but but China..." or something.
- cicko 1mo agosomething
- letmevoteplease 1mo agoI also like DeepSeek, but I'll note their stated goal is to develop AGI, and the founder (already China’s fifth-richest person) has stated, "I believe the business opportunities here are large enough-if the AI era will produce many trillion-dollar companies, I think we will be one of them."[1] These are not humble ambitions. [1] https://liangwenfeng.art/ch11.en https://liangwenfeng.art/ch11.en
- hgoel 1mo agoI'm not fully convinced about the greed explanation. It seems to be unrealistic to me that greed can be at a level that the AI frontier (at least in the West) almost uniformly agrees (often with a smug smile,) that they are actively working on killing their loved ones within a decade. You don't see this kind of behavior in other frontier research areas... biochemists aren't smugly boasting about the potential of developing superviruses, climate scientists do not sound smug and excited when they beg the world to get more serious about climate change, etc
- QuadmasterXLII 1mo agoits clocktower syndrome. they are fucked in the head and can beg us to stop them but cant stop themselves
- idiotsecant 1mo agoIf I operate a nuclear reactor or a hydroelectric dam there are regulators that tell me what i'm allowed to do, so as to keep my profit motive from overwhelming the public interest. If we want AI to actually have some safety rails, this is what we would do.
- hgoel 1mo agoIf we were to take the nuclear analogy, what's happening in AI right now is where the people selling nuclear power make a ton of noise about how they need the power to regulate their competitors because nuclear bombs might set the atmosphere on fire, and their proof for this is in a report about how they didn't wear TLDs (and suffered related increased cancer risks) despite it being common practice to wear them in all related industries. Some controls are justifiable, but none of the people involved in any of this can be trusted to develop sane controls. Most likely we're looking at draconian proposals similar to attempted regulations on 3d printers.
- idiotsecant 1mo agoRegulations obviously can't be written by those regulated or they're just moats by another name.
- sspiff 1mo agoSimilar to countries putting democratic in their name being the least democratic, like the Deutsche Demokratische Republik and Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.