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It never occurred to me to consider efficiency in piñata, but I dislike them because it's making a game out of violence.
by cbolton 23d ago
It never occurred to me to consider efficiency in piñata, but I dislike them because it's making a game out of violence.
- Computer0 23d agoAs a child I did not see it as violent
- locknitpicker 23d ago> As a child I did not see it as violent That's the problem. Hitting a tied up animal until it breaks is clearly a violent affair, similar how hanging puppets in nooses or putting a doll in a guillotine. I'm sure that there are kids growing up in places where bullfights are common thinking that torturing and killing a bull in a party-like atmosphere is fine.
- tyre 23d agoOne of the incredible powers of childlike imagination is the ability to differentiate between hitting a piñata and hitting an actual animal.
- locknitpicker 23d ago> One of the incredible powers of childlike imagination is the ability to differentiate between hitting a piñata and hitting an actual animal. People get arrested for hanging dolls on trees with nooses around their necks. Some are prosecuted as hate crimes. Do you think this is an issue from a lack of childlike imagination?
- applfanboysbgon 23d agoDo you see Pokemon as encouraging a culture of accepting dogfighting/cockfighting rings?
- gambiting 23d agoI mean yeah, absolutely. But a child growing up in a western society is unlikely to encounter either of those. But generally I do see Pokemon as violent and I wouldn't let my 5 year old watch it quite yet. When he's a bit older I hope he enjoys playing through the original games and the OG tv show with me, but I see parents playing the TV show for their 4-5 year olds and I think that's just too young. Same with Spidey and friends and few other shows made "for children" which absolutely promote violence despite the colourful aesthetic.
- jhbadger 23d agoIt literally is a reference to the Japanese hobby of collecting bugs and making them fight each other, so yes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_fighting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_fighting
- w4der 23d agoAs a kid I don't remember, or have pictures of, an animal-looking piñata, they were just colorful boxes full of candy and things.
- GJim 23d ago> Hitting a tied up animal until it breaks is clearly a violent affair, I think you will find it isn't a real animal.
- sevenzero 23d agoChildren have no concept of violence or empathy or right or wrong. Children often are extremely violent to other kids and sometimes even adults. They kick they scream they punch and they destroy objects. It's on the parents to teach them these concepts and its fun to have settings in which that behavior is allowed.
- WalterBright 23d ago> Children have no concept of violence or empathy or right or wrong This is not correct. I remember having a sense of shame when I was 4 when I tried to hurt another kid. Kids will also hide the things they do wrong, because they know it is wrong.
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- lynx97 23d ago> ... because they know it is wrong No. They hide the things they do wrong because they learnt there are consequences and they dont want to get caught.
- watwut 23d agoNo, not all kids are a little sociopaths. They in fact hide things they have no experience of being reprimanded or punished for, because they feel bad about them. Kids do care about other kids, animals or adults in their lives. They do feel empathy - underdeveloped and sometimes weird, but they display it very clearly. And they do care about right and wrong.
- WalterBright 22d agoNot my experience. I accidentally killed a baby bird when I was little. It still hurts when I think about it. Some kids are indeed savages. But not all of us.
- close04 23d ago> because they know it is wrong Or they know they'll be told it was wrong. Children start knowing nothing then they slowly absorb what they're told again and again, and what they see around them until they feel it. They go from knowing nothing, to knowing what the adults told them, to internalizing that and feeling it rather than just knowing it (maybe these 2 concepts fully overlap in other people's minds). But until they do get all of that, they'll spend a lot of time plucking wings off of insects, burning ants with a magnifying glass, pulling the cat by the tail, or throwing rocks at dogs and frogs.
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- r3trohack3r 23d agoThat you see the world this way says more about you than the piñata.
- gambiting 23d agoYeah, something very positive I think.
- thin_carapace 23d agois play not an indirect method of practicing the physiological mechanisms designed for violence ? baby lions are both happy to play with other animals, and to eat them ... which inevitably progresses to predation only ... and humans are the apex predator ...
- red_admiral 23d agoDepends. Dolls' tea parties aren't violent.
- ura_yukimitsu 23d agoI've seen dolls' tea parties that were absolutely violent when I was a kid, with the dolls ending up insulting each other and/or fighting.
- rolfus 23d agoThis is only tangentially directed at your reply, but this is the kind of statement that I'll sometimes hear other parents say, and it makes me think that they've completely forgotten what childhood was actually like. Like, the idea that normal, fun activities and sports are bad because they bear some abstract resemblance to adult violence feels very contrived and misses what childhood play is about.
- jay_kyburz 23d agoIt's not really that abstract. You smash the shit out of a cardboard box and candy comes out. Breaking things is not fun. I also hate youtube videos of people breaking stuff for fun.
- skydhash 23d ago> Breaking things is not fun. I don't know. I broke a lot of things when I was a kid, mostly because I was excited to see how they work, but have no knowledge of their value or how to safely disassemble them. I don't do it as an adult because I now have that knowledge. So don't judge a kid as an adult.
- 2muchcoffeeman 23d agoThis is just you and your peculiar hang up though. Same with the piñatas are making light of violence commenter. Piñatas are made and designed explicitly to be smashed open to get the treats inside. We’re not buying brand new iPhones and smashing them, or buying food and making stupid “recipes” for rage bait.
- gherkinnn 23d agoBreaking stuff is fun, as is throwing rocks and building snow forts.
- ButlerianJihad 23d agoI tried reading the English Wikipedia article "Piñata" but it is a mess of cringe information, especially the 16th century background. It seems that original piñatas were clay pots, before papier-mâché came into vogue. I was going to say, that around the American Southwest, you can find piñatas for sale that are not only abstract, but also plenty of Spongebob and Disney and MCU characters, as well as "political figures that are not particularly well-liked" by Chicanos. However, the article also linked out to revisit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%C3%B3_de_Nadal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti%C3%B3_de_Nadal (Merry Christmas, Catalonia!) And not to mention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Judas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Judas (Burning Man, Easter edition!)
- red_admiral 23d agoThose who don't lose the fun of hitting things graduate to hitting things with swords and end up in the SCA (not the coffee one). I see the point about violence but I'm ok with it because it's based on fun and not anger. Olympic archery, javelin, or even fencing have an obvious past in warfare but today they've become sports. I can only speak for some of the European versions of SCA-like clubs but there's a lot of pride-flag flying strictly-no-fascists fun activity with a dose of pretending to be children again. (Buhurt is a bit more complicated.)
- gattr 23d agoI wouldn't say "violence", rather, an opportunity to demolish something on (good) purpose. Same reason children will be glued to the window if workers outside are going at it with jackhammers, or, better yet, an excavator is crushing and scraping off the asphalt. (Yeah, I remember exactly how awesome that was.)
- SlightlyLeftPad 23d agoI dislike them because someone inevitably gets sacked in the groin.
- whstl 23d agoBut that’s half of the fun!
- worthless-trash 23d agoThere is no violence, because the pinata is not alive. There is no more violence in hitting a nail with a hammer.
- socalgal2 23d agoIs it? Or is that just you, projecting. You could argue baseball, golf, hockey, are all violent as you smash a stick into a ball.
- cbolton 23d agoMaybe it's projecting but what I see is kids ganging up to break a target that is often human/animal-shaped, and that feels different to me.
- jcarrano 23d agoDestroying things is part of human experience. Kids got to have that.