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> Life in USA is extremely car-centric Mostly yes, but some states like NYC its more common to take trains, taxi cabs / Uber / Lyft, etc.

GrinningFool 1mo ago
It says a lot that 3 of the 4 options you gave involve cars.
- giancarlostoro 1mo ago
  You don't have to own the cars is my argument.
driverdan 1mo ago
As much as people who live in NYC like to believe they're a state they're not, they're a city. Most of the state of New York does not have good public transit.
- JoeAltmaier 1mo ago
  Pedantically true. By population density, NYC is essentially the whole state, or what matters anyway, to the huge majority of residents.
  - fwip 1mo ago
    About 60% of New Yorkers are outside of NYC.
    - JoeAltmaier 1mo ago
      And what fraction of the traffic?
- bluGill 1mo ago
  Even in New York City, a very large number of people are not taking transit, there are a lot of cars. Generally gets about a third though different boroughs have different numbers, Manhattan, most people are walking, everywhere else cars are significant, though subway and transit are also there. But you can't really say overall for the city that transit is how people get around.
  - oblio 1mo ago
    > Generally gets about a third though different boroughs have different numbers > But you can't really say overall for the city that transit is how people get around. It is 27%, but that's because of COVID. It used to be around 50% before and it's recovering to those levels. So even now, during abnormal times, it's 27% plus walking around 40% and bikes are 5% and growing. So non car transportation in all of NYC is 72%. And the trend is only going one way, with transit on the way up and recovering post COVID and bikes also going up. I wouldn't be surprised if 2030 NYC statistics put cars around 15-20%, so a quite small minority.
- giancarlostoro 1mo ago
  I don't live in NYC for the record, my point was more about not having to own a car than public transport, hence i gave a few options surrounding traveling through NYC.

GrinningFool 1mo ago

It says a lot that 3 of the 4 options you gave involve cars.

giancarlostoro 1mo ago
You don't have to own the cars is my argument.

driverdan 1mo ago

As much as people who live in NYC like to believe they're a state they're not, they're a city. Most of the state of New York does not have good public transit.

JoeAltmaier 1mo ago
Pedantically true. By population density, NYC is essentially the whole state, or what matters anyway, to the huge majority of residents.
- fwip 1mo ago
  About 60% of New Yorkers are outside of NYC.
  - JoeAltmaier 1mo ago
    And what fraction of the traffic?
bluGill 1mo ago
Even in New York City, a very large number of people are not taking transit, there are a lot of cars. Generally gets about a third though different boroughs have different numbers, Manhattan, most people are walking, everywhere else cars are significant, though subway and transit are also there. But you can't really say overall for the city that transit is how people get around.
- oblio 1mo ago
  > Generally gets about a third though different boroughs have different numbers > But you can't really say overall for the city that transit is how people get around. It is 27%, but that's because of COVID. It used to be around 50% before and it's recovering to those levels. So even now, during abnormal times, it's 27% plus walking around 40% and bikes are 5% and growing. So non car transportation in all of NYC is 72%. And the trend is only going one way, with transit on the way up and recovering post COVID and bikes also going up. I wouldn't be surprised if 2030 NYC statistics put cars around 15-20%, so a quite small minority.
giancarlostoro 1mo ago
I don't live in NYC for the record, my point was more about not having to own a car than public transport, hence i gave a few options surrounding traveling through NYC.