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What do you do with your phone that requires you to know the memory details? Genuine question, I have absolutely no idea how much memory my iPad or phone have a
by dgellow 1mo ago
What do you do with your phone that requires you to know the memory details? Genuine question, I have absolutely no idea how much memory my iPad or phone have and don’t see why I would need to know
- WarmWash 1mo agoRunning not-particularly-useful local models.
- millipede 1mo agoThe models are pretty useful, especially when it comes to asking things you may not want to go over a network.
- o_m 1mo agoI only care about it because I'm waiting for a MacBook Neo with more than 8gb of memory.
- wang_li 1mo agoI'm waiting for a software release for my iPhone 16 Pro Max that will let me plug in a dock that has an attached SSD, keyboard, mouse, and display, and an option to pop up on my phone to reboot into MacOS. Also, if they make a neo 2 from the A19 with 12 GB that'd be cool.
- selectodude 1mo agoI’m pretty sure the efficiency cores in the A20 Pro have more juice than the performance cores in my M1 Pro laptop.
- josephg 1mo agoYou’ll be waiting awhile. iPads have had desktop M-series CPUs for ages now, and you still can’t run macOS on an iPad. It’s just a software restriction. I’m sure they have macOS running on iPhones and iPads internally, probably both through a VM and natively. But it’s very Apple to block this use case.
- josephg 1mo agoWith the price of ram going up by 5x, I want to see our industry move in the opposite direction. Computers for regular people should go back to 4gb or even 2gb of ram, just to keep the prices sane. We should get software working well on those devices, just like it did a decade or two ago. Small, memory efficient programs run better everywhere. It feels like theft to make consumers pay for our inefficient software. Electron / react on the desktop is such a rort.
- StilesCrisis 1mo agoI wonder how much we could reclaim just by going back to 32-bit pointers. If we're going back to 4GB it should be fine, right?
- josephg 1mo agoYes and no. If I recall, 32 bit windows has a fixed allocation of 3gb for userland and 1gb for the kernel’s memory space. I think 32bit only really works well for memory sizes smaller than 4gb. It might not be worth it, given a lot of OSes are in the process of deprecating 32bit support.
- StilesCrisis 1mo agoFirst, we don't need to be restrained to "how Windows did it twenty years ago." But either way, if we are targeting a 4GB PC, it's inappropriate for any single app to actually use more than 3GB regardless.
- nonethewiser 1mo ago>With the price of ram going up by 5x, I want to see our industry move in the opposite direction. Computers for regular people should go back to 4gb or even 2gb of ram, just to keep the prices sane. Sure. Right along with Intel Core 2 Duo and Windows Vista.
- dgellow 1mo agoModern CPUs and memory, just less ram
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- eagerpace 1mo agoBecause I am buying a phone to use for the next 3 years and want to buy it based on the most important property of compute devices right now. I couldn't care less about the camera and the 13 random metrics that all look the same as every other camera announcement. I will happily take 96GB of RAM in my phone (and I know what that means) and would gladly allow you to make it 1.2mm thicker in the process.
- apetresc 1mo agoWhat on earth would you do with an iOS device that has 96GB of RAM? You realize the last generation (i.e, the most powerful consumer phone in the world today) had 12 GB of RAM? You feel the need for eight times that amount?
- lokar 1mo agoNumber go up, I guess? A lot of people derive great satisfaction from ever larger (or sometimes smaller) number. But, uh, 8X is probably too much, need to spread that out over a few generations.
- cortesoft 1mo agoThey obviously want to run AI models on their phone.
- HDBaseT 1mo agoIn theory it sounds alright, although in reality, the heat and power consumption make this less than ideal. I am not sure single digit tk/s on weak model like ChatGPT OSS 20b @ Q3_K_M is going to be worthwhile. Not to mention this has to be <0.01% of users who "want" to do this. The iPhone tooling would make it hard to even configure and spin up a local LLM.
- apetresc 1mo agoVery obviously you get a Mac Studio for that, not a phone. (Oh, the 96GB Studio is almost $6000, you counter? Imagine how much it would cost in a phone form factor). You can't possibly expect Apple to take that market segment seriously.
- hombre_fatal 1mo agoTo know what you're getting. No further reasons needed.
- swader999 1mo agoOk Bill.
- renecito 1mo agosell another phone with "more than iPhone" and claim is better because "more X" right ?
- bmandale 1mo agoPeople who actually care about their money often like to compare competing products and decide which one provides them the best value.
- curiousgal 1mo ago> best value > iPhone Pick one.
- hk__2 1mo agoThe amount of RAM doesn’t tell you anything about "the best value". Bad software with a large amount of RAM provides less value than highly-optimized one with a lower amount of RAM, for example. This was the whole advantage of the iPhone at the beginning: not a lot of RAM (meaning less energy needed) but a highly-optimized OS that works well even with that constrained environment.
- bmandale 1mo agoIt tells you a lot about the best value. It certainly doesn't tell you everything, and you might well pick a more expensive phone with less ram for other reasons, but all else being equal a phone with more ram will be better.
- hk__2 1mo ago> but all else being equal a phone with more ram will be better. Sure, but this situation where "all else being equal" doesn’t exist.
- stingraycharles 1mo agoI want to know how it compared to what I currently have.
- paimapi 1mo agoI think an honest answer would be to account for software bloat over time. I'm one of those luddites who likes to keep a phone for a minimum of five years. in order to accomplish this, I select phones that have higher-than-average in-class RAM so that things I care the most about (snappy feeling, app loadtimes) stay good for longer especially for Apple, I imagine if I were buying a phone knowing they historically throttle processors on older models, I'd try to at least control the one aspect that wouldn't make sense to throttle
- dgellow 1mo agoHmm, yeah, that’s a good reason
- millipede 1mo agoIt's because of the local model use case. Running AI locally on the phone is a feature (they brag about the processor), but it's constrained by memory and bandwidth.