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Translation: “We took a pro thing and put it on the non-pros. Money please.”

by MBCook 29d ago

dijit 29d ago
for those who were holding out from Gen1 or whatever, adding pro features at a non-pro price is definitely incentivising. I’m not sure why we’re pretending it’s not. Would you rather have generation old Pros or brand new standard airpods which have the pro features you actually want.
- MBCook 29d ago
  I think it’s nice and I think they covered it right in the video. Do you want open ear (AirPods) or closed (AirPods Pro). Some people can’t stand having something in their ear. The volume control is a nice feature to have and now it’s available on the cheaper ones. I’ve missed it on my 4s. Yeah the marketing copy is marketing copy and Apple never references competitors. But if you like the non-pros it’s a nice upgrade.
  - coldtea 29d ago
    >Do you want open ear (AirPods) or closed (AirPods Pro). Some people can’t stand having something in their ear.* Both versions put something in your ear. There are wireless earbuds that stay outside next to the ear, that are actually the ones legitimately called "open ear", but the AirPods aren't that type.
    - MBCook 29d ago
      It’s confined to the assumption you already want AirPods. Apple isn’t going to mention things they don’t sell.
    - syncsynchalt 29d ago
      They mean isolating vs non-isolating. Airpods Pro are isolating, Airpods are not.
  - accrual 29d ago
    > Do you want open ear (AirPods) or closed (AirPods Pro). I'm holding out for the next Pro model as I genuinely benefit from closed headphones/earbuds. Open is nice in a controlled environment but I'd rather have that slight seal when I'm somewhere noisy. My Pro 2s are genuinely very comfortable and still work great after 2+ years of moderate use, so haven't felt a need to upgrade to Pro 3 yet. I use aftermarket foam-like tips and find they seal great FWIW.
- coldtea 29d ago
  >for those who were holding out from Gen1 or whatever, adding pro features at a non-pro price is definitely incentivising. I’m not sure why we’re pretending it’s not. Because it's a non-feature even the cheapest $30 wireless earbuds have had since forever, often even better, like with physical buttons.
  - joemi 29d ago
    So what are you saying? Because there are cheaper earbuds made by someone else with this feature, Apple _shouldn't_ add it to their earbuds? I'm not sure why that would be the case.
    - coldtea 27d ago
      Where exactly do I say "Apple _shouldn't_ add it to their earbuds"? I'm saying as an "incentive" to get to the new version of airpods 5, it's a lame one, since the feature existed in all kinds of cheaper earbuds for years, and Apple should have added it in already, not leave it for the Pro models all this time.
      - joemi 27d ago
        You seem to be saying contradictory things. You're saying it's not a good incentive, but you're also saying Apple should have added it already. Why should they have already added it if it's not a good incentive? Why should they add it now if it's not a good incentive? My argument is that adding it makes their product better, so they should add it. And if they add something that makes their product better, that's an incentive to buy it.
- daseiner1 29d ago
  apple has been quite good at treating their "economy" products with the same level of respect as their premium ones, as far as I've experienced. the Neo is significantly more powerful than the Pro I bought four years ago and $100 cheaper, pre-inflation accounting. A brand like Apple introducing a highly-capable "discount" product goes against all common sensibilities for a company whose branding is anchored on prestige. Plus the extended support window for older devices vs. their competitors in the smartphone space.
  - Gigachad 29d ago
    Apples budget stuff is weirdly good right now. Other brands would have released the neo as a plastic frame bit of ewaste loaded with adware.
s3p 29d ago
*Less money please.
robotresearcher 29d ago
See also: Power steering Jet engines Anesthetics Rubber tires Flat screen TVs How grubby of them to take a high end feature and make it more affordable.

Translation: “We took a pro thing and put it on the non-pros. Money please.”

by MBCook 29d ago

Translation: “We took a pro thing and put it on the non-pros. Money please.”

dijit 29d ago

for those who were holding out from Gen1 or whatever, adding pro features at a non-pro price is definitely incentivising. I’m not sure why we’re pretending it’s not. Would you rather have generation old Pros or brand new standard airpods which have the pro features you actually want.

MBCook 29d ago
I think it’s nice and I think they covered it right in the video. Do you want open ear (AirPods) or closed (AirPods Pro). Some people can’t stand having something in their ear. The volume control is a nice feature to have and now it’s available on the cheaper ones. I’ve missed it on my 4s. Yeah the marketing copy is marketing copy and Apple never references competitors. But if you like the non-pros it’s a nice upgrade.
- coldtea 29d ago
  >Do you want open ear (AirPods) or closed (AirPods Pro). Some people can’t stand having something in their ear.* Both versions put something in your ear. There are wireless earbuds that stay outside next to the ear, that are actually the ones legitimately called "open ear", but the AirPods aren't that type.
  - MBCook 29d ago
    It’s confined to the assumption you already want AirPods. Apple isn’t going to mention things they don’t sell.
  - syncsynchalt 29d ago
    They mean isolating vs non-isolating. Airpods Pro are isolating, Airpods are not.
- accrual 29d ago
  > Do you want open ear (AirPods) or closed (AirPods Pro). I'm holding out for the next Pro model as I genuinely benefit from closed headphones/earbuds. Open is nice in a controlled environment but I'd rather have that slight seal when I'm somewhere noisy. My Pro 2s are genuinely very comfortable and still work great after 2+ years of moderate use, so haven't felt a need to upgrade to Pro 3 yet. I use aftermarket foam-like tips and find they seal great FWIW.
coldtea 29d ago
>for those who were holding out from Gen1 or whatever, adding pro features at a non-pro price is definitely incentivising. I’m not sure why we’re pretending it’s not. Because it's a non-feature even the cheapest $30 wireless earbuds have had since forever, often even better, like with physical buttons.
- joemi 29d ago
  So what are you saying? Because there are cheaper earbuds made by someone else with this feature, Apple _shouldn't_ add it to their earbuds? I'm not sure why that would be the case.
  - coldtea 27d ago
    Where exactly do I say "Apple _shouldn't_ add it to their earbuds"? I'm saying as an "incentive" to get to the new version of airpods 5, it's a lame one, since the feature existed in all kinds of cheaper earbuds for years, and Apple should have added it in already, not leave it for the Pro models all this time.
    - joemi 27d ago
      You seem to be saying contradictory things. You're saying it's not a good incentive, but you're also saying Apple should have added it already. Why should they have already added it if it's not a good incentive? Why should they add it now if it's not a good incentive? My argument is that adding it makes their product better, so they should add it. And if they add something that makes their product better, that's an incentive to buy it.
daseiner1 29d ago
apple has been quite good at treating their "economy" products with the same level of respect as their premium ones, as far as I've experienced. the Neo is significantly more powerful than the Pro I bought four years ago and $100 cheaper, pre-inflation accounting. A brand like Apple introducing a highly-capable "discount" product goes against all common sensibilities for a company whose branding is anchored on prestige. Plus the extended support window for older devices vs. their competitors in the smartphone space.
- Gigachad 29d ago
  Apples budget stuff is weirdly good right now. Other brands would have released the neo as a plastic frame bit of ewaste loaded with adware.

s3p 29d ago

*Less money please.

robotresearcher 29d ago

See also: Power steering Jet engines Anesthetics Rubber tires Flat screen TVs How grubby of them to take a high end feature and make it more affordable.