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My mental bias always kept me away from Chinese models. Because i know that china is a surveillance state and all the things we know about CCP. But after what w

My mental bias always kept me away from Chinese models. Because i know that china is a surveillance state and all the things we know about CCP. But after what we learned about OpenAI and how they most likely used user data to basically cheat in an open competition i think it does not matter which AI provider you use all of them will own your data and all of them can spy on you. So I am willing to switch to Chinese models. This way we help them develop and improve models some day we can run them locally.

ricardobeat 23d ago
These models are open-weights. Anyone can host them, you don’t have to use chinese servers even though most of them offer zero data-retention policies.
- m00dy 23d ago
  >>zero data-retention policies Yeah, that’s basically an industry-wide scam.
  - burntpineapple 23d ago
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  - Xiol32 23d ago
    But it makes the compliance team happy.
epolanski 23d ago
You're naive if you're thinking the scumbags running the US companies aren't using your data. In any case old rules apply: if privacy is a concern don't share the data. I share all my work-related code because it's worthless, but I don't and would never share company business and process details, access to production/user data, etc. Meanwhile I know of people connecting all the kind of MCPs for datadog/sentry/jira/concluce/production databases to their harnessess..lol.
el_io 23d ago
You can use those models from Openrouter, they have many Non-Chinese providers.
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Mashimo 23d ago
The new meta model is fast and very cheap as well, and when used through OpenCode you get quite a lot of free tokens. But meta is also THE surveillance company, so probably also not a good choice in your case.
- miroljub 23d ago
  If you work on open source projects, I don't care about surveilance. It's right there on Github with full history anyways.
  - hn8726 23d ago
    Is it? You're still putting a lot of thought and guidance into the agent's harness, the final code is just a tiny bit of that. It's like giving a junior developer final code vs explaining the whys and nuance. Which I'm not sure I want to give Meta
jsw97 23d ago
Even you think both cheat, you can't possibly think they both cheat the same amount.
kzrdude 23d ago
The Chinese labs have released interesting papers to accompany their releases too, especially DeepSeek and Kimi. This improves their standing among a few of us, who really like to see and read the papers with details about what they have changed and how their models work.
- kzrdude 22d ago
  And just a day later we have the tech report available for V4.1: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash/blob/main/DeepSeek_V41_Tech_Report.pdf https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash/blob/...
efficax 23d ago
the US is also a surveillance state except about 80% of the surveillance is private companies (that are closely tied to the state)

ricardobeat 23d ago

These models are open-weights. Anyone can host them, you don’t have to use chinese servers even though most of them offer zero data-retention policies.

m00dy 23d ago
>>zero data-retention policies Yeah, that’s basically an industry-wide scam.
- burntpineapple 23d ago
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- Xiol32 23d ago
  But it makes the compliance team happy.

epolanski 23d ago

You're naive if you're thinking the scumbags running the US companies aren't using your data. In any case old rules apply: if privacy is a concern don't share the data. I share all my work-related code because it's worthless, but I don't and would never share company business and process details, access to production/user data, etc. Meanwhile I know of people connecting all the kind of MCPs for datadog/sentry/jira/concluce/production databases to their harnessess..lol.

el_io 23d ago

You can use those models from Openrouter, they have many Non-Chinese providers.

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Mashimo 23d ago

The new meta model is fast and very cheap as well, and when used through OpenCode you get quite a lot of free tokens. But meta is also THE surveillance company, so probably also not a good choice in your case.

miroljub 23d ago
If you work on open source projects, I don't care about surveilance. It's right there on Github with full history anyways.
- hn8726 23d ago
  Is it? You're still putting a lot of thought and guidance into the agent's harness, the final code is just a tiny bit of that. It's like giving a junior developer final code vs explaining the whys and nuance. Which I'm not sure I want to give Meta

jsw97 23d ago

Even you think both cheat, you can't possibly think they both cheat the same amount.

kzrdude 23d ago

The Chinese labs have released interesting papers to accompany their releases too, especially DeepSeek and Kimi. This improves their standing among a few of us, who really like to see and read the papers with details about what they have changed and how their models work.

kzrdude 22d ago
And just a day later we have the tech report available for V4.1: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash/blob/main/DeepSeek_V41_Tech_Report.pdf https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash/blob/...

efficax 23d ago

the US is also a surveillance state except about 80% of the surveillance is private companies (that are closely tied to the state)