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They want to make money. Their buyers want a closely surveilled world with no exits.
by afarah1 2mo ago
They want to make money. Their buyers want a closely surveilled world with no exits.
- whilenot-dev 2mo agoMultiple things can be true at the same time... do you think the seller doesn't want a closely surveilled world with no exits? Besides, money keeps businesses in the economy afloat, it's an artificial good with (more or less) constant value. Money's a systematic means to an end and rarely an end goal, its purpose is the transportation of value, and not the communication of value.
- blitzar 2mo ago> do you think the seller doesn't want a closely surveilled world with no exits? I don't think they care beyond being rich. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower
- duskdozer 2mo agoIt's hard to see how you wouldn't at least be okay with that outcome if you were actively making it happen. But maybe this is just explaining why I'll never have that much money.
- berytos_storm 2mo ago> Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower I love this analogy. It’s hardly a crime to kick my lawnmower until it starts to come apart. Vandalism at best. If you want to entirely dehumanize these people, at least go all the way.
- archonis 2mo agoThat was a reference to a Bryan Cantril speech, and it's more about the lawnmower's ability to gravely harm your person without having any intent or feeling beyond doing what a lawnmower does.
- HNIsEvil2 2mo ago[flagged]
- whilenot-dev 2mo agoDebatable, but I think that Flock sells a product that does actively more harm to society than anything from Oracle ever has.
- YCIsComplicit 2mo agoThe sellers are people like YC and other investors
- j1elo 2mo agoThere are buyers who want drugs for recreational reasons, murders for emotional reasons, or spy cams on hotel rooms for business reasons. But those are simply 3 instances where existent demand doesn't mean we should be allowing any offer to exist. I'd personally agree to put Flock-levels of civil vigilance in the same bag.
- YCIsComplicit 2mo agoHN and YC are complicit by painting it as “the government” who literally bans the cameras when it’s only the investors who want them for ads.
- lionkor 2mo agoThis is the drug-dealer justification -- "if I don't [sell drugs|provide mass surveillance at an unprecedented scale|crush these kittens] someone else will"
- FlockIsYC 2mo ago[dead]