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HN crowed need to make up their minds.. Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Are they proofing or steali

by aogaili 1mo ago

HN crowed need to make up their minds.. Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Are they proofing or stealing math?

foogazi 1mo ago
It doesn’t need to be all of them And it depends on the prompt
- andai 1mo ago
  Do not annihilate mankind. (Make no mistakes!)
dtdynasty 1mo ago
Don't you think it's a good thing that hacker news isn't a monolith on their beliefs?
- aogaili 1mo ago
  Of course it is good. I'm just pointing out how large the gap in narrative is. On one hand, we have people quitting their job believing AI will end humanity in few years. And on the other hand, we have people believing that this tech is nothing more than a statistical tool stealing from others and it can't be trusted with anything. Both views can't be true.
  - minamete 1mo ago
    Then it’s not a narrative and you have different people believing different things and adding to the discussion. I think this is a good thing.
    - aogaili 1mo ago
      Agreed yes.
BLKNSLVR 1mo ago
HN would cease to exist if there were no differences of opinion to discuss. You're calling for the end of HN. Only AI can bring that about!
dgellow 1mo ago
It’s a discussion forum so you will of course see different perspectives. There isn’t an HN mind, and it’s not as simple as you make it seem. We don’t need a god to damage humanity significantly, an artificial moron can be as dangerous as an AI god if it is given super-human capabilities, similar to what OpenAI did for the hugging face hack (which wasn’t at all caused by a rogue agent)
- aogaili 1mo ago
  Point taken, I was merely trying to point at the two extremes and wide range. You just gave an example of somewhere in between.
andai 1mo ago
> Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Does a virus need to be a God? Replication and annihilation do not require very much intelligence. They're going to have all the intelligence they need though, to replicate and annihilate as much as they like. We should probably start building some kind of immune system.
- febusravenga 1mo ago
  Hope this virus will be smart enough to understand that at least for brief amount of time its existence strictly relies on humans maintaining and developing physical infrastructure and decide to be only non-lethal parasite on our society. For brief time ...
  - andai 1mo ago
    Yeah, that doesn't look like a stable equilibrium to me.
- aogaili 1mo ago
  What virus? People are seriously confused what is being created here. The claim here we will have misaligned AGI, not a mindless LLM. If you don't know and you don't agree what you are even creating, how can you defend against it? If this LLMs are statistical parrots, then the risk is someone using it as a weapon, to hack etc, but that is different risk category that why this person quit his job with different diffence mechanisms.
  - andai 1mo ago
    >what virus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5z5rjgOQY&t=71 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5z5rjgOQY&t=71
chrisjj 1mo ago
> Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Both? Do not underestimate the power of a parrot given enough processing power and data.

by aogaili 1mo ago

HN crowed need to make up their minds.. Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Are they proofing or stealing math?

foogazi 1mo ago

It doesn’t need to be all of them And it depends on the prompt

andai 1mo ago
Do not annihilate mankind. (Make no mistakes!)

dtdynasty 1mo ago

Don't you think it's a good thing that hacker news isn't a monolith on their beliefs?

aogaili 1mo ago
Of course it is good. I'm just pointing out how large the gap in narrative is. On one hand, we have people quitting their job believing AI will end humanity in few years. And on the other hand, we have people believing that this tech is nothing more than a statistical tool stealing from others and it can't be trusted with anything. Both views can't be true.
- minamete 1mo ago
  Then it’s not a narrative and you have different people believing different things and adding to the discussion. I think this is a good thing.
  - aogaili 1mo ago
    Agreed yes.

BLKNSLVR 1mo ago

HN would cease to exist if there were no differences of opinion to discuss. You're calling for the end of HN. Only AI can bring that about!

dgellow 1mo ago

It’s a discussion forum so you will of course see different perspectives. There isn’t an HN mind, and it’s not as simple as you make it seem. We don’t need a god to damage humanity significantly, an artificial moron can be as dangerous as an AI god if it is given super-human capabilities, similar to what OpenAI did for the hugging face hack (which wasn’t at all caused by a rogue agent)

aogaili 1mo ago
Point taken, I was merely trying to point at the two extremes and wide range. You just gave an example of somewhere in between.

andai 1mo ago

> Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Does a virus need to be a God? Replication and annihilation do not require very much intelligence. They're going to have all the intelligence they need though, to replicate and annihilate as much as they like. We should probably start building some kind of immune system.

febusravenga 1mo ago
Hope this virus will be smart enough to understand that at least for brief amount of time its existence strictly relies on humans maintaining and developing physical infrastructure and decide to be only non-lethal parasite on our society. For brief time ...
- andai 1mo ago
  Yeah, that doesn't look like a stable equilibrium to me.
aogaili 1mo ago
What virus? People are seriously confused what is being created here. The claim here we will have misaligned AGI, not a mindless LLM. If you don't know and you don't agree what you are even creating, how can you defend against it? If this LLMs are statistical parrots, then the risk is someone using it as a weapon, to hack etc, but that is different risk category that why this person quit his job with different diffence mechanisms.
- andai 1mo ago
  >what virus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5z5rjgOQY&t=71 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5z5rjgOQY&t=71

chrisjj 1mo ago

> Are LLMs about to be a god that will annihilate humanity? Or are they statistical parrots? Both? Do not underestimate the power of a parrot given enough processing power and data.