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I´m waiting on the other side version, because I know there is no justifiable way to talk to a person like they did. Sociopathic behaviour.

by igleria 18d ago

Maxious 18d ago
OpenAI version of events conceed some of the words alleged to have been used may have been used https://x.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://x.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097379411691516310 https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097379411691516310
- igleria 18d ago
  Interesting that they quote the mathematician directly: “there is nothing you can do, I simply do not trust you” but then they proceed to NOT quote themselves themselves verbatim: "I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey."
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  - andrepd 18d ago
    > "I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey." The AI-isms are seeping into their speech :)
- colinhb 18d ago
  May be unfairly jaded or just well calibrated given the body of evidence, but I can't help but think of another quote about OpenAI leadership: > Not consistently candid
  - Laurel1234 18d ago
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- peri-cl 18d ago
  > "When we learned that they had Euler but not Navier-Stokes, we offered to let them go first, to suggest that they should be the ones to get the prize, and optionally for Tristan to be the lead author on a rewrite of the OpenAI proof. We felt it was challenging to offer the same to Levent (an Anthropic employee), who was not willing to talk or coordinate with us anyway. We were open to other solutions." What an admission! "We tried to defraud Alpöge out of sharing the Millenium Prize (that we don't dispute he might actually deserve), for no other reason than he works for our competitor and that inconveniences us". I thought Tristan Buckmaster's allegations sounded fantastic; and then 'sama just came out (tweet's ~30 minutes old) and admitted to all of them. Wow!
  - dandanua 18d ago
    Can't wait for the moment when AGI realizes how stupid and dishonest its owners are.
    - aeve890 18d ago
      Wait, people now want AGI to be sentient too?
  - fc417fc802 18d ago
    That isn't what the quoted passage says though? The claim by openai (no idea if true) is that they offered to wait for the other two to claim the prize before publishing their own work. Separately, they also offered to let one of the pair (but not the other) become an author on their own separate work.
- mrbungie 18d ago
  In what world a tweet and a screenshot of a private convo are evidence of good faith? Plain sociopathic behavior.
CobrastanJorji 18d ago
As soon as I thought "man, this sounds like some evil sociopath shit," my second thought was "oh, Sam Altman must have been personally involved."
- morkalork 18d ago
  I can sort of picture Sam Altman screaming "I drink your milkshake" at some poor researcher who foolishly used chatgpt/codex to aid in their work now.
morleytj 17d ago
Talking like that and threatening an academic like that is crazy. I read the explanations Altman and the others posted and they completely skip over the whole "I don't have to be nice" style threats.

I´m waiting on the other side version, because I know there is no justifiable way to talk to a person like they did. Sociopathic behaviour.

by igleria 18d ago

I´m waiting on the other side version, because I know there is no justifiable way to talk to a person like they did. Sociopathic behaviour.

Maxious 18d ago

OpenAI version of events conceed some of the words alleged to have been used may have been used https://x.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://x.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097379411691516310 https://x.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097379411691516310

igleria 18d ago
Interesting that they quote the mathematician directly: “there is nothing you can do, I simply do not trust you” but then they proceed to NOT quote themselves themselves verbatim: "I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey."
- deleted 18d ago
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- andrepd 18d ago
  > "I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey." The AI-isms are seeping into their speech :)
colinhb 18d ago
May be unfairly jaded or just well calibrated given the body of evidence, but I can't help but think of another quote about OpenAI leadership: > Not consistently candid
- Laurel1234 18d ago
  [dead]
peri-cl 18d ago
> "When we learned that they had Euler but not Navier-Stokes, we offered to let them go first, to suggest that they should be the ones to get the prize, and optionally for Tristan to be the lead author on a rewrite of the OpenAI proof. We felt it was challenging to offer the same to Levent (an Anthropic employee), who was not willing to talk or coordinate with us anyway. We were open to other solutions." What an admission! "We tried to defraud Alpöge out of sharing the Millenium Prize (that we don't dispute he might actually deserve), for no other reason than he works for our competitor and that inconveniences us". I thought Tristan Buckmaster's allegations sounded fantastic; and then 'sama just came out (tweet's ~30 minutes old) and admitted to all of them. Wow!
- dandanua 18d ago
  Can't wait for the moment when AGI realizes how stupid and dishonest its owners are.
  - aeve890 18d ago
    Wait, people now want AGI to be sentient too?
- fc417fc802 18d ago
  That isn't what the quoted passage says though? The claim by openai (no idea if true) is that they offered to wait for the other two to claim the prize before publishing their own work. Separately, they also offered to let one of the pair (but not the other) become an author on their own separate work.
mrbungie 18d ago
In what world a tweet and a screenshot of a private convo are evidence of good faith? Plain sociopathic behavior.

CobrastanJorji 18d ago

As soon as I thought "man, this sounds like some evil sociopath shit," my second thought was "oh, Sam Altman must have been personally involved."

morkalork 18d ago
I can sort of picture Sam Altman screaming "I drink your milkshake" at some poor researcher who foolishly used chatgpt/codex to aid in their work now.

morleytj 17d ago

Talking like that and threatening an academic like that is crazy. I read the explanations Altman and the others posted and they completely skip over the whole "I don't have to be nice" style threats.