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I think it's very unlikely that Tristan is making up these quotes, or pulling them out of context: > I said that if OpenAI released its result in the way propo
by colinhb 24d ago
I think it's very unlikely that Tristan is making up these quotes, or pulling them out of context:
> I said that if OpenAI released its result in the way proposed I would go
public with what happened. The reply was, “Why would you ruin your career?”
I replied that I am an academic, and asked why he thought going public would
ruin my career. The reply was, “If you don’t want me to be nice, then I don’t
have to be nice.”
Whether and how OpenAI's work on this problem was contaminated by knowledge of Tristan and Levent's work is tangential to OpenAI bullying other researchers into adopting their narrative and dissociating with dis-favored collaborators (ie Levent at Anthropic). Though the latter behavior (threats, intimidation) may weigh against OpenAI in trying to understand the former issue (contamination).
- CamperBob2 24d ago>I said that if OpenAI released its result in the way proposed I would go public with what happened. The reply was, “Why would you ruin your career?” I replied that I am an academic, and asked why he thought going public would ruin my career. The reply was, “If you don’t want me to be nice, then I don’t have to be nice.” If this is true he should release the actual emails. This is a very serious accusation and he shouldn't demand that the reader judge it on hearsay.
- magicalist 24d ago> If this is true he should release the actual emails these were statements while on a call, and at least the career comment Bubeck has admitted to while doing damage control ("I deeply apologize for this extremely poor choice of words, it is the opposite of what I was trying to convey. (I should say that I retracted them on the spot by the way.)"[1]). [1] https://xcancel.com/SebastienBubeck/status/2097379411691516310 https://xcancel.com/SebastienBubeck/status/20973794116915163...
- sinuhe69 24d agoNo wonder - they're all working for ant! Birds of a feather flock together.
- dgellow 24d agoWhat a horrible response from Bubeck. How did he think that would make him and OpenAI look good to tweet that?
- ignoramous 24d agoIf we're allowed to arm-chair judge harshly: It isn't uncommon for those (anybody) on the cusp of "greatness" to be delusional when challenged: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-to-know-about-main-character-syndrome https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-to-know-about-main-c...
- fn-mote 23d agoWho here is on the cusp of greatness?? Or thinks they are? I really don’t understand which party you are referring to.
- CamperBob2 23d agoAnyone who comes close to solving a Millennium problem can honestly say they are on the cusp of greatness. Not sure what this question proves either way.
- adastra22 23d agoDid we read the same tweet? It felt very forthright and level-headed to me. Not at all what I expected.
- fn-mote 23d ago> Anthropic models had been used in their proof of Euler blowup; I therefore felt I could not consider Levent to be an independent academic So using someone’s models makes someone who works for the competitor not “independent”? When their coauthor is? What does that even mean? I almost stopped reading this extra long post entirely at that point. This is not a good look in my book.
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- johnnienaked 23d agoSounds like a great time for open mathematical research is upon us. /s
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