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OUI-1: world's first model for Generative UI
- ahknight 24d agoOh no.
- 0gs 24d agooh, you eye?
- zahlekhan 24d agoi prefer wee
- hmokiguess 24d agoOui ma chérie
- ramesh31 24d agoPlease for the love of god have a human write something that you expect other humans to read
- polotics 24d ago"The gap became the north star" is written large enough though: I could read it with my own Aieyes! It's also the only sentence I read on that page before closing it, of course.
- mysterydip 24d ago> Interfaces must be generated in under a second Why? Is two seconds too long? Would your other constraints be easier (usability and hardware spec) if this was longer? Does anyone actually need a UI generated in under a second?
- tomashertus 24d ago[dead]
- zahlekhan 24d agoIn Generative UI, the interface needs to built in realtime based on context and intent of the user. Hence the constraints. Ideally we are targeting sub 500ms to compete with current software.
- TaupeRanger 24d agoThe term "Generative UI" refers to a front-end design approach where an AI model dynamically builds a UI in real time instead of relying on static, hard-coded templates.
- mcmcmc 24d agoThis just seems incredibly wasteful. What value does that add?
- PhunkyPhil 24d agoI get annoyed if a webpage takes longer than 1-2 seconds to generate right now. You don't?
- tomashertus 24d agoQuite interesting to see no real comments here for 50+ minutes, so I will kick it off. I'm a huge believer in this future of software. Having the UI layer completely abstracted from pre-written code and dynamically generated "on the fly" based on the context of the user is, I believe, the future. Just think about the complexity of localization and how many IFs you had to write to solve different language versions, etc. in the old PHP code. A lot of that complexity can simply disappear. Having dynamically built UI won't only be better for the user experience, it can actually allow us to create much more personalized experiences (I hate when UI teams constantly redesign perfectly fine software). Interestingly, this will open up a completely new consumption interface, because I believe there will be a UI predefined by the creator of the application (your day 1 user experience) that will then evolve into a more personalized experience over time. So much room to grow in this space.
- Boxxed 24d ago> Just think about the complexity of localization and how many IFs you had to write to solve different language versions, etc. in the old PHP code. A lot of that complexity can simply disappear. IFs! Oh no! Throwing all of this into a non-deterministic and expensive black box is making it less complex, you say?
- zahlekhan 24d agothis exactly the future we are working towards as well. You should checkout AppLess http://github.com/thesysdev/appless http://github.com/thesysdev/appless
- PhunkyPhil 24d agoGreat link, I haven't seen that before. I saw someone at Microsoft make an "OS" that was just copilot chats per-window, generating the HTML. I recreated it and it's not great, but it's a fun toy that _feels_ transformative, unlike almost every AI product ever made besides the fundamental chat interface. To take this a step further: https://chatjimmy.ai/ https://chatjimmy.ai/ Imagine AppLess running a model as good as qwen at 20,000 tok/sec. It would be generated in a shorter amount of time as downloading a webpage right now. If this works out the consequences are kind of scary. The end of SaaS, the end of software being the moat or the property of companies, the embolstering of data protection (since that's fundamentally what code operates)...
- raincole 24d agoDo you hate the designer changed the UI of your favorite app so you have to relearn it every three months? Congrats! Now you need to relearn it every time you open the app.
- IncreasePosts 24d agoThat's why I have my own model restyle the delivered UI to my preferred UI.
- zahlekhan 24d agoThe goal of generative UI should be to make software more personal while preserving the workflows people already know. Two users might have very different interfaces, but each should have a consistent experience over time.
- Den_VR 24d agoI can only imagine the troubleshooting and customer support experience. Yet another problem created by “ai” that’s probably only solvable with more “ai”
- zahlekhan 24d agoI understand the skepticism. We hear this often and are working on it. As AI agents become more common in SaaS, these experiences will become more reliable and ready for everyday use.
- troupo 24d ago> The goal of generative UI should be to make software more personal while preserving the workflows people already know. These are inherently contradictory statements. When people actually did research instead of vibe-coding, they learned it the hard way.
- throwaway613746 24d ago[dead]
- nezhar 24d agoOpenAI, OpenAPI and now OpenUI. Explain this to a non tech person...
- mmastrac 24d agoIt should be possible to run on Mac via https://github.com/mmastrac/diffgemma https://github.com/mmastrac/diffgemma, but I'm at rustconf right now and I can't download weights on hotel wifi easily.
- znnajdla 24d agoThe most interesting part about this for me is that they decided to create their own language or DSL for the task at hand. So it's not just a large language model; it's an LLM with its own language. I have a feeling that the best AI systems to come will, in fact, be a complete package like this: a harness, a DSL, and an entire package designed to produce certain outcomes cheaper and faster. And producing that complete package is why software engineering will not be obsolete.
- WithinReason 24d agoI agree. I'm waiting for someone to invent a programming language designed for LLMs where for a given partial program p and candidate token t it's possible to tell whether p+t can be the prefix of a correct program or not so that t can be excluded from the LLM's probability distribution at generation time, so the LLM can only generate correct programs. Or something like that.
- cpill 24d agodoesn't this imply it would solve the halting problem?
- WithinReason 24d agoNo, practical programs don't need full Turing completeness. Most programs you want to write you intend to either halt or run indefinitely, because you want to avoid crashes.
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- modemNoises 24d agoWhy can't an AI be trained to generate "the whole package"? It too is just software
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- hatefulheart 24d agoSomeone steel man the case for users actually wanting to be a UI designer for the application they pay you for.
- JohnBooty 24d agoGenUI isn't about designing cosmetic "skins." (Usually, anyway. I guess it could be used for that) It's generally for letting users customize the own workflows. How many times have you, or one of your users, liked a piece of software because it mostly fits an existing workflow but that remaining 20% is an annoyance, or maybe even a dealbreaker? This is probably more common for businesses. They have existing procedures. and they want your software to fit into their existing processes and workflows... not the other way around. GenUI is far from a one size fits all approach or magic bullet, but it can address a lot of those situations that either would have been dealbreakers, annoyances, or change requests. I suppose it can also help with user retention; once they've put the time and effort into customizing your product they theoretically are less likely to switch to a competitor. Existing OpenAI/Anthropic models seem to already handle this pretty well. As you might expect, letting users describe their own UI is pretty easy. The hard part is making it work and making sure they don't escape their sandbox...
- zahlekhan 24d agoagreed. the core idea behind Generative UI is personalisation
- bee_rider 24d agoAs a user, most GUIs are awful. I’m fairly certain that this thing could, for example, vibe up a better UI for Amazon Music in less time than it takes me to find the music I’ve purchased and downloaded (because the system is more interested in funneling me toward a streaming subscription that I don’t have). Of course pushing users toward subscription services they don’t need is part of the design goal. So I guess something where the user vibecodes up their own UI will not become standard. But we can dream.
- tracyhenry 24d agoGenerative UI is unsolved because current models do not have taste and end up generating the same kind of slop. I'm amazed that this blog doesn't even have a single screenshot/photo of the kind of UI they can generate. Focusing on benchmarks in this domain feels very wrong.
- thomasfromcdnjs 24d agoGen UI is meant to be design agnostic, the output is just the content and the form. It is on the implementation, agentic or human to make it look good.
- tracyhenry 24d agodesign is the hard problem. i don't know what hard problem this is trying to solve here
- spiderfarmer 24d agoThere's an image in the article and a full website with more media is just 1 click away. Instead you resorted to typing 272 characters not including ENTER, and I doubt that was easier than clicking the logo to visit the homepage. Typing this comment also did not solve your problem, because that would require the author to read your comment, add more screenshots and it would require that you revisit it.
- tracyhenry 24d agoWhen the blog title is "world's first model for Generative UI", you are supposed to show something that GPT/Claude couldn't do. Instead it's all benchmark. I don't know what media you are talking about. It's all slop worse than current slop.
- spiderfarmer 23d agoI usually don't reply to people who comment this obnoxiously, but the article is literally: Headline Introduction Animation <------ LOOK HERE Rest of article
- alentred 24d agoRemember when everything was iSomething? The original iPod and iPhone created a real trend back then. Seems like many AI products ride the same wave now. Open WebUI, OpenHands, OpenUI. I am a bit more dubious about this affiliation, though.
- joshmarlow 24d agoI've been thinking for a while that something like this could be a solution for the suboptimal UX in the digital assets space. Imagine a very small LLM embedded into a MetaMask equivalent where you just specify the task you want to do - ie, "I want to send USDT on mainnet", "I want to import the token at address 0x..." - and the wallet assembles the UX for this task for the human to execute.
- zahlekhan 24d agoyep, this is usecases we are trying to solve. Current model fits in consumer hardware. Hopefully we can fit this into a phone soon.
- piterrro 24d agoI think there is a big misunderstanding in the space around what Gen UI is and what its used for. Lots of folks refer to it as a framework for building web apps - its not. Gen UI is a DSL for LLM to build UIs on the fly in a multi turn converstation - those are - throw away, one off interfaces or visualization. The reason for the DSL is pragmatism - standardisation and token savings. The html/css/js or a react app built by an LLM is not Gen UI.
- _boffin_ 24d agoOh... amazing. just had a vision of being able to be in a meeting and talk through an User Interface design / review, while in a zoom meeting or whatever. ...i like. --- - Design system / Component lib - Live view of what components, tokens, other things... on the left side of the screen. - You're in the meeting and talking while talking and transcribing and doing the full duplex voice. You say, "Find what tables and customizations we have available" and the list starts to filter to tables and customizations. - "Let's add that table to the page; left side; 3/4 width of page. Headers should be static for vertical scroll, ..." - The table is added to the page. - "Nah, i don't like it. Let's change that table component to have larger headers..." yes, i like--let's see what Astra Pro pops out with.
- piterrro 24d agoThe problem with that is that it only works with simple, least interactive UIs. Each new UI a human will be presented needs to be learned to be ised effectively otherwise a user will be lost. Having said that, imo, Gen UI only makes sens as a presentation layer - not controls. Unless LLM will be using a set of very well defined and homogenic components like table, forms, small widgets.
- _boffin_ 23d ago> The problem with that is that it only works with simple, least interactive UIs. I believe that's incorrect. you can define the architecture to be able to provide data based on information from the frontend and the components just need to define a query and data structure or something -- will have a prototype soon
- pcdevils 24d agoPre-LLMs Steve Krug wrote "Don't make me think" Now we come to a generation of random UIs that will confuse the life out of users and, being non deterministic, be a nightmare for support teams; though they'll probably have no real support, just more llms.