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Roundup, last I heard, is not a natural product and its worldwide impact in insect biomass is at the level of the largest mass extinctions in history. Likewise

Roundup, last I heard, is not a natural product and its worldwide impact in insect biomass is at the level of the largest mass extinctions in history. Likewise the biomass of humans and cattle have an impact that can definitely be considered at the extremes of what nature has to offer. Do you think that a 1.5C+ increase in global temperature in a century is also something typical of the natural cycles?

bcjdjsndon 26d ago
> Do you think that a 1.5C+ increase in global temperature in a century is also something typical of the natural cycles? Yes. By definition, we are part of nature. But it wouldn't matter even if it wasn't, my contention is that it won't be the apocalypse it's made out to be.
- Daishiman 26d ago
  > But it wouldn't matter even if it wasn't, my contention is that it won't be the apocalypse it's made out to be. Against the evidence of every branch of the natural sciences that studies the problem from every conceivable angle and consistently say the effects are actually going to be much worse. I don't hold it that you're the kind of person that goes out there every day pointing out issues in the ECMWF models, or telling biologists that their understanding of crop performance is actually _all wrong_ and crops will magically create new adaptability measures out of nowhere, or showing that the human body can actually stand nighttime temperatures that we already know it can't stand.
  - bcjdjsndon 26d ago
    > Against the evidence of every branch of the natural sciences that studies the problem from every conceivable angle and consistently say the effects are actually going to be much worse. I'm not talking about meteorological outcomes but sociopolitical ones like massive migrations, outbreaks of political unrest. I also think climatologists step outside their remit when they make such claims. I don't doubt 1.5c, I doubt the end of humanity
    - Daishiman 26d ago
      It's not an immediate end of humanity, it's the slowly eroding collapse of institutions. We're at 1.5 anyway so it's likely not the end, but the end is there and it's within a very likely scenario.
      - bcjdjsndon 21d ago
        > It's not an immediate end of humanity, it's the slowly eroding collapse of institutions. It's just too vague to rebuff...

bcjdjsndon 26d ago

> Do you think that a 1.5C+ increase in global temperature in a century is also something typical of the natural cycles? Yes. By definition, we are part of nature. But it wouldn't matter even if it wasn't, my contention is that it won't be the apocalypse it's made out to be.

Daishiman 26d ago
> But it wouldn't matter even if it wasn't, my contention is that it won't be the apocalypse it's made out to be. Against the evidence of every branch of the natural sciences that studies the problem from every conceivable angle and consistently say the effects are actually going to be much worse. I don't hold it that you're the kind of person that goes out there every day pointing out issues in the ECMWF models, or telling biologists that their understanding of crop performance is actually _all wrong_ and crops will magically create new adaptability measures out of nowhere, or showing that the human body can actually stand nighttime temperatures that we already know it can't stand.
- bcjdjsndon 26d ago
  > Against the evidence of every branch of the natural sciences that studies the problem from every conceivable angle and consistently say the effects are actually going to be much worse. I'm not talking about meteorological outcomes but sociopolitical ones like massive migrations, outbreaks of political unrest. I also think climatologists step outside their remit when they make such claims. I don't doubt 1.5c, I doubt the end of humanity
  - Daishiman 26d ago
    It's not an immediate end of humanity, it's the slowly eroding collapse of institutions. We're at 1.5 anyway so it's likely not the end, but the end is there and it's within a very likely scenario.
    - bcjdjsndon 21d ago
      > It's not an immediate end of humanity, it's the slowly eroding collapse of institutions. It's just too vague to rebuff...