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Unfounded speculation, but is it possible that every particle could have a different individual light speed, and the one we know is just the average speed that
by hyperhello 27d ago
Unfounded speculation, but is it possible that every particle could have a different individual light speed, and the one we know is just the average speed that they have to drop or speed up to, the way a car needs to travel at the same speed as the highway?
- exe34 27d agoWhat measurable predictions does this hypothesis make that would differ from the existing models?
- hyperhello 27d agoWell, yeah. Perhaps if this experiment was expanded for a chain or a filter of cause and effect then it could be shown that one event affects another.
- exe34 27d agoAs opposed to current models, where one event does not affect subsequent events?
- hyperhello 27d agoGood god, sorry I participated in any way. Apparently there’s a quantum physics colloquium I’m disturbing.
- exe34 27d agoI'm sorry, I thought you knew how scientific ideas were discussed, I didn't know you were just trying to bootstrap a new religion.
- setopt 27d agoProbably no, because according to quantum mechanics, photons are indistinguishable in a way that affects experiments.
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- drdeca 27d agoBy "every particle" do you mean like, every type of particle? If you mean individual particles, fundamental particles don't really have distinct individual identities (as shown by fermi and bose statistics). As for types of particles: Well, photons surely move at the speed photons move at. Special relativity is derived from the assumption/observation that light travels at the same speed in all inertial reference frames, and generally that the laws of physics work the same in any inertial reference frame. What you are proposing sounds pretty vague and unclear to me, but, is what you are trying to say compatible with this?
- ars 27d agoBefore you figure that out, you will be surprised to discover that it's impossible to tell if the speed of light is the same in both directions, with only the average of a round trip being the speed of light. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light Anyway, reading that should help you answer your own question, or at least give you a lot more questions to ask.
- irjustin 27d agoCriticism: It's not literally impossible. I hate this one because it's true Einstein said we cannot measure the speed of light in one direction that is independent of the clocks' synchronization technique being used to measure. And yet, somehow we changed that to "we don't know the speed of light in one direction!!!" Which is bogus - can you imagine if speed of light was different if you were pointing east vs west? In space, what is even a direction vs another? Did you even read the wiki you linked? We've done one-way speeds, it's down below.
- zmgsabst 26d agoHow do you synchronize the clocks and compute the measurement, without depending on the conclusion? You run into a similar problem with Michelson-Morley: because the apparatus and the light both get distorted by any motion, you can’t even in principle detect the aether wind with interferometry. You need a non-comoving dynamic source, eg, LIGO with black hole collisions. Their one-way experiments seem to require similar, ie, we can observe dynamics but cannot measure a static bias.
- irjustin 24d agoAh missed this - 2 days later, sorry. I'm over my head with your statement, but my guess is - Yes that's the point. Either you do 2 way or you accept 1 way clock-sync collusions. My argument is it's not "We don't know speed of light in 1 direction". Also, there's another common youtube video that says "we've never measured teh speed of light!". Those statements are just for click bait, shock value. It's not rooted in the science.