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I'm practically certain that there was no ill-intent by LG when conceiving this feature. It was most likely just a convenience thing. But I am also practically

by hypfer 1mo ago

I'm practically certain that there was no ill-intent by LG when conceiving this feature. It was most likely just a convenience thing. But I am also practically certain, that, eventually, any pile of data will attract ideas you do not want attracted.

rickdeckard 1mo ago
Yes, unfortunately the investigative video is implying (or explicitly stating) malice on every detail they discovered, which is harming the overall message IMO. They hacked the TV OS, then used the TV UI to do a web search with voice-input and observed (still on the UI!) that the voice input didn't stop immediately on silence but kept extending the search prompt with everything said [0]. The OS-hack was irrelevant for this, the whole sensationalism that a listening process is running (and therefore the device is listening to everything) is just drama added to the sober fact that someone started voice-input, the input field is still displayed on the bottom of the UI and keeps getting populated with new input. There is an important message in this about security hardening, privacy, data protection, but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... [0] https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA?si=OCmfai2KXSaQt1Bk&t=2958 https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA?si=OCmfai2KXSaQt1Bk&t=2958
- hypfer 1mo ago
  I really wish Steve would not have befriended Louis to the degree he has, but.. well. Or rather I wish Louis would limit the "bulldozing" persona to the context in which it is necessary instead of all contexts ever at any time. No issue with people being friends. Just issue in standards deteriorating. ___ Is this how Twitter felt like for journalists back in the day? You see a story, and you think "ah yes, that guy's signature"? End me.
  - rustcleaner 1mo ago
    I think the friendship is spectacular, and I think Rossmann should go even harder than he does!
- givinguflac 1mo ago
  | but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best.
  - rickdeckard 1mo ago
    | but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best. You've accidentally proven my statement: If you're not specific, you're not helping.
    - givinguflac 1mo ago
      Nothing about my previous statement was accidental, and it’s proven nothing to your point as far as I can tell. What exactly are you being specific about here? You started with a baseless claim that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided, while I stated that the discussion was surrounding facts. Meanwhile, there are numerous citations throughout the thread, go read them; I’m not going to reproduce them here.
      - rickdeckard 1mo ago
        > You started with a baseless claim that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided Oh I made no such claim whatsoever. My complete statement was this, in context of the original research the article is based on: "There is an important message in this about security hardening, privacy, data protection, but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping..." To translate: It's important to raise and emphasize matters of security hardening, privacy, data protection, and there's alot to raise here. But doing so by implying broad malicious intent on even the most trivial use-case observed on the device (like user-initiated voice-transcription, as I also elaborated as an example) is not helping to emphasize the actually important findings of that research. Meanwhile, you started a broad strawman-argument "that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided". You need to find a opposing position to argue that, you won't find that with me...
tremon 1mo ago
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- hypfer 1mo ago
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    - hypfer 1mo ago
      > Because your position of no ill-intent does not sound like you're on the same side as I am. If your position is "We do not want these kinds of stuff to exist/happen", then we are. If your position however is "Witchhunts are fun, and decisions and dialogue should be driven by emotions", then indeed we are misaligned by a few centuries.
      - tremon 1mo ago
        Do not put words in my mouth. Where in my post did I advocate for any form of action?
        hypfer 1mo ago
        > Where in my post did I advocate for any form of action? Wait what? You don't? What?! I want action. I do not want there to be a microphone array in my TV that may or may not sample at random times and forwards that data god knows where. And to achieve that, I believe that we need to look at the systems that brought us to this outcome.
        pessimizer 1mo ago
        You change the conversation about televisions to be about judging the person you're having the conversation with for what they think is "ill-intent" and for one-upsmanship, you put words into their mouth, and when they point it out, you ignore them and return to the conversation. You aggressively silence them, then start babbling about yourself. Are you a bot designed to disrupt conversations or just doing a good imitation of one?
upboundspiral 1mo ago
There are multiple recordings of LG executives saying "we own the glass (the TV)", referring to the "LG household", and how they can serve targeted ads by recognizing every device on the network. Just watch the video... The head of LG ads was banned from serving in a public company for 10 years by the SEC for fraud...

by hypfer 1mo ago

rickdeckard 1mo ago

Yes, unfortunately the investigative video is implying (or explicitly stating) malice on every detail they discovered, which is harming the overall message IMO. They hacked the TV OS, then used the TV UI to do a web search with voice-input and observed (still on the UI!) that the voice input didn't stop immediately on silence but kept extending the search prompt with everything said [0]. The OS-hack was irrelevant for this, the whole sensationalism that a listening process is running (and therefore the device is listening to everything) is just drama added to the sober fact that someone started voice-input, the input field is still displayed on the bottom of the UI and keeps getting populated with new input. There is an important message in this about security hardening, privacy, data protection, but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... [0] https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA?si=OCmfai2KXSaQt1Bk&t=2958 https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA?si=OCmfai2KXSaQt1Bk&t=2958

hypfer 1mo ago
I really wish Steve would not have befriended Louis to the degree he has, but.. well. Or rather I wish Louis would limit the "bulldozing" persona to the context in which it is necessary instead of all contexts ever at any time. No issue with people being friends. Just issue in standards deteriorating. ___ Is this how Twitter felt like for journalists back in the day? You see a story, and you think "ah yes, that guy's signature"? End me.
- rustcleaner 1mo ago
  I think the friendship is spectacular, and I think Rossmann should go even harder than he does!
givinguflac 1mo ago
| but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best.
- rickdeckard 1mo ago
  | but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best. You've accidentally proven my statement: If you're not specific, you're not helping.
  - givinguflac 1mo ago
    Nothing about my previous statement was accidental, and it’s proven nothing to your point as far as I can tell. What exactly are you being specific about here? You started with a baseless claim that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided, while I stated that the discussion was surrounding facts. Meanwhile, there are numerous citations throughout the thread, go read them; I’m not going to reproduce them here.
    - rickdeckard 1mo ago
      > You started with a baseless claim that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided Oh I made no such claim whatsoever. My complete statement was this, in context of the original research the article is based on: "There is an important message in this about security hardening, privacy, data protection, but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping..." To translate: It's important to raise and emphasize matters of security hardening, privacy, data protection, and there's alot to raise here. But doing so by implying broad malicious intent on even the most trivial use-case observed on the device (like user-initiated voice-transcription, as I also elaborated as an example) is not helping to emphasize the actually important findings of that research. Meanwhile, you started a broad strawman-argument "that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided". You need to find a opposing position to argue that, you won't find that with me...

tremon 1mo ago

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hypfer 1mo ago
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- tremon 1mo ago
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  - hypfer 1mo ago
    > Because your position of no ill-intent does not sound like you're on the same side as I am. If your position is "We do not want these kinds of stuff to exist/happen", then we are. If your position however is "Witchhunts are fun, and decisions and dialogue should be driven by emotions", then indeed we are misaligned by a few centuries.
    - tremon 1mo ago
      Do not put words in my mouth. Where in my post did I advocate for any form of action?
      - hypfer 1mo ago
        > Where in my post did I advocate for any form of action? Wait what? You don't? What?! I want action. I do not want there to be a microphone array in my TV that may or may not sample at random times and forwards that data god knows where. And to achieve that, I believe that we need to look at the systems that brought us to this outcome.
        pessimizer 1mo ago
        You change the conversation about televisions to be about judging the person you're having the conversation with for what they think is "ill-intent" and for one-upsmanship, you put words into their mouth, and when they point it out, you ignore them and return to the conversation. You aggressively silence them, then start babbling about yourself. Are you a bot designed to disrupt conversations or just doing a good imitation of one?

upboundspiral 1mo ago

There are multiple recordings of LG executives saying "we own the glass (the TV)", referring to the "LG household", and how they can serve targeted ads by recognizing every device on the network. Just watch the video... The head of LG ads was banned from serving in a public company for 10 years by the SEC for fraud...