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Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging
- xyst 28d agoLiving to 100 is overrated anyways. As if this planet will even be worth living on if climate change continues to go unchecked. Or if humanity will even exist after the inevitable mass extinction event
- colordrops 28d agoalways some excuse to keep eating meat
- david-gpu 28d agoAlways some excuse to look down on other people.
- piloto_ciego 28d ago[dead]
- colordrops 28d agoDo you look down on murderers and rapists? Or if you think that analogy is too strong, what about people who beat their children, which was considered normal and expected 60 years ago.
- david-gpu 28d agoI won't bore you with a litany of habits that I disapprove of, because I am not stupid enough to believe that you care about what some random on the Internet riding a high horse thinks of you.
- colordrops 27d agoMurder isn't a habit unless you are a psychopath.
- david-gpu 27d agoFor how many years did you consume the mangled corpses of sentient beings before you went vegan? How can you live with yourself knowing what you have done? Now apply to other people whatever mental gymnastics it took you to forgive yourself, and leave us be. kthxbye
- colordrops 27d agoI have a very hard time living with myself. I feel like a murderer that got out of prison and is still grappling with his past crimes. There is no forgiveness, I feel fully guilty. You project your mental gymnastics. Make assumptions based on your own cognitive dissonance. It's obvious which view is the simple and consistent one.
- david-gpu 27d agoi ain't reading all that i'm happy for u tho or sorry that happened
- colordrops 27d ago>> short comment > I ain't reading all that You reveal your crude thought process and intellectual laziness which explains everything about this thread.
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- david-gpu 26d agoDo you ever wonder why people's eyes glaze over when you talk to them IRL?
- jojobas 28d agoNone needed.
- colordrops 28d agoDahmer said the same thing about cannibalism.
- jojobas 28d agoStay mad.
- colordrops 28d agoDon't stay ignorant. Anger is a reasonable response to abuse and exploitation of sentient beings.
- xyst 28d agoalways some excuse to avoid putting the blame on the corporations, unchecked O&G
- colordrops 27d agoCorporations don't exist without customers. Both sides are at fault. Individual effort matters. The thousands of animals you didn't eat throughout your lifetime would thank you.
- tomkat0789 28d agoReminds me that I need to study the impacts of a vegan diet in the science literature to understand how aggressively I should be pursuing it. The times I’ve lived on a near vegan diet, I feel quietly better in lots of little unexpected ways. Happy to chase books or links if people have them lying around.
- rogerkirkness 28d agoI had to stop after 6 months because my testosterone dropped so much (serious, blood test confirmed). Felt way better for the first few months, then slowly lower energy and not like myself. Eventually realized more vegetables is good, but nailing is protein wise on true vegan diet is very very hard.
- John7878781 28d agoI am vegan except for fish, and find it works really well. Sardines are awesome!
- adityamwagh 28d agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism
- BowBun 28d agoA good term for that is pescatarian - as eating fish is neither vegan nor veg!
- deadbabe 28d agoSo not vegan at all.
- Incipient 28d agoI'd say their description is fair. We don't have a word for vegan+fish. Pescetarianism includes eggs, milk, etc. So they're precisely vegan, with fish.
- rrjjww 28d ago"Alter" is an interesting word choice
- farhanhubble 28d agoBoth pure vegan and pure meat camps claim to have scientific evidence that it works, which make me question if change is what the body responds to. From personal experience, eating less often and fasting does seem to improve things like brain fog, indigestion etc.
- Unit327 28d agoPeople going vegan or going pure aktins or whatever have the most important thing in common, they are actually thinking about what they eat, reading labels and generally making conscious decisions about food.
- andor 28d agoThat’s a false equivalence, not all evidence has the same quality. I don’t think there’s any doubt across serious scientists that meat intake should be limited for positive health outcomes.
- thriving_earthw 28d agoWe need to collectively evolve as a species past intensive industrial animal confinement. To think, we can be more compassionate and don't need to sacrifice our health, and may in fact be able to live healthier!
- EveryonePoops 28d ago[dead]
- Moomoomoo309 27d agoIn such a world, if we still kept cats as pets, how would we feed them? Would non-industrial, more small-scale farming of animals be able to sustain that, or would exceptions need to be made? I use cats in this example since they, unlike dogs, are carnivores, and they must eat meat to live healthily (unlike us, where a bit of supplementation is enough for entirely vegan diets to be viable). I'm curious how problems like this would be dealt with in a vegan world. Just let the cats loose on the local rodent and bird population, maybe?
- thriving_earthw 23d agoIt's still in the early commercialization stages, but I think the best solution to this is lab grown meat for pets. https://meatly.pet/ https://meatly.pet/ ^ that's an example of one I found.
- EveryonePoops 28d ago[dead]
- bell-cot 28d ago> the participants were randomly assigned to two groups: 24 followed a vegan diet for four weeks, while 24 followed a diet particularly high in meat. This may be correct technique for a small-n, short-duration study. But don't expect the results to be applicable to typical non-vegans.
- tpoacher 28d agoHighly misleading title. They make you really dig up linked paywalled papers before you see any methods to see what people actually ate. The methods say people were allocated to vegan versus "high meat consumption" foods, with participants free to choose their diets. The only restriction was you had to "try" to increase intake if losing weight, and "try" to decrease intake if gaining weight. (i.e. only isocaloric per basal rate, not across the board). Then the linked studies hint heavily that the vegan group tended towards less protein but more fibre, and roughly equal carbs (fat is not mentioned!!). Which at the very least shows the diets were not "equivalent bar for meat", let alone for "moderate" (i.e. potentially healthy) amounts of meat. So they're not comparing "healthy wholefood vegan vs healthy wholefood meat diets". They're comparing availability and behavioural tendencies towards dietary choices when aiming for a short term vegan diet versus when aiming for a short term diet characterised by excessive amounts of meat. I honestly don't get why they do studies like this. It's a waste of time for everyone involved. It's almost like they're only after a headline extolling veganism, rather than actually useful comparisons that could lead to real, actionable dietary insights. Really, if anything, a supported conclusion here could even be that meat diets are likely healthier given sufficient fibre supplementation.
- andor 28d agoI can’t access the previous paper by the authors that contains details about the diets. That being said, people don’t eat macronutrients, they eat foods. With equal caloric intake, a vegan diet is going to be higher in fiber and lower in fat and protein than a diet that includes meat. That’s probably part of why it’s healthy, but the reason for doing this study is to understand the mechanisms in more detail, rather than just claiming that one is better than the other. When you say they should have supplemented fiber, you’re also implying they should have had less meat. According to the linked paper from this year, the meat-rich diet included at least 150g of meat per day, which is just a bit more than a chicken breast or a single burger patty. Probably in line with what many expect from a balanced meal.
- tpoacher 27d ago> When you say they should have supplemented fiber, you’re also implying they should have had less meat Why? This is a non-sequitur. As are the other assertions in my opinion. You can have meat based diets rich in fibre (e.g. the mediterranean diet), and you can have vegan diets completely devoid of them (e.g. living off McDonalds plantburgers for the rest of your life). The problem is this conflating of veganism, which at its heart is an ethical movement, as a nutritional one. So designing studies that intentionally blur this line isn't doing anyone no favours. If I see a study comparing vegan junkfood against the mediterranean diet where the vegan diet still comes on top, I'd change my tune. But the reverse scenario, i.e. comparing meat-based diets of a nature that most people would intuitively consider unhealthy anyway (i.e. not necessarily because of the meat) against vegan diets which most people would intuitively consider healthy anyway (i.e. not necessarily because of the veganism) provides zero useful evidence. And if I were to make a dietary choice for ethical reasons, I would much more appreciate insights coming from impartial science over an echo chamber, academic or otherwise.
- znpy 27d agoMost studies on diets are usually skewed because part of the results do not directly come to the specific diet (no matter if it's the vegan, carnivore, atkins, dukan, paleo or whatever) but from study participants "suddenly" following a well-defined eating regime (with a well defined upper bound on caloric intake). Essentially, if you go from eating shit at whatever time of the day to following a well-specified eating regime... of course you'll get benefits. Dumb example: this professor lost 27 pounds and got improvements across various markers by eating Twinkies - link: https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.profe...