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> evil ideology Does exist and should be labeled as such. But it's also always been a term that evil political movements use to label those who oppose their id

> evil ideology Does exist and should be labeled as such. But it's also always been a term that evil political movements use to label those who oppose their ideas. Let the wise be discerning. Not all is as it appears on the surface or is reported to be.

hackyhacky 27d ago
> Not all is as it appears on the surface or is reported to be. Are you literally asking for a moral re-evaluaion of fascism?
- TimTheTinker 27d ago
  Heck no. Hitler and Mussolini were deeply evil and their ideology was too. But there's nothing like them happening today.
  - hackyhacky 27d ago
    > But there's nothing like them happening today. <rolls eyes> https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-president-and-constitutional-violations-will-the-federal-courts-contain-the-presidents-power-grabs/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-president-and-c...
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api 27d ago
I think we can judge fascism by its fruit. Authoritarian Communism and its variants mostly fail by the same standard: lots of misery and death. A good principle here I think is “a thing is what it does.” It effectively banishes all the sophistry that these kinds of ideologies deploy in their defense. No, a thing is what it does, and these ideologies murder and impoverish. I find it really disheartening that so many people today seem to want to revisit one of these two ideologies. These are the failed death cults of the early 20th century. They should be forgotten. If what we have is not working we need new ideas, not these.
- hackyhacky 27d ago
  Bit of a false equivalence there. The modern right wants to replace democratic rule of law with enlightened despotism focused on eliminating perceived racial, sexual, and ideological impurities. The modern left wants universal healthcare and high taxes for billionaires, similar to the well-known death cult of Norway. /s These things are not the same.
  - TimTheTinker 27d ago
    What the ...? Please show me examples of this on the right, and I don't mean random nutjobs on Twitter or 4chan. That's complete insanity.
    - hackyhacky 27d ago
      Have you read the news lately? The president has given up pretending to obey the law. He's torn down the east wing of the White House (which does not belong to him), he's issued Executive Orders that contradict a plain reading of the Constitution (14th amendment, among others), he has gratuitously and repeatedly violated the Emoluments Clause, he has used the DOJ to attack political enemies on the thinnest of pretenses, he is continuing an illegal "armed conflict" in violation of the War Powers Resolution, etc, etc. This has all been documented thoroughly elsewhere: the president acts like a king and demonstrates contempt for his oath of office. That, in combination with his civil rights abuses, are tantamount to fascism. Under the guise of "immigration enforcement," he's unleashed a horde of undertrained, overpaid henchmen who apparently act above the law, killing people, including US citizens, and denying medical care to detainees, without any fear of accountability. He's also sought to withdraw citizenship from and cancel visas to those people who are legally in the US but, for whatever reason, displease him. This kind of capricious, content-based discrimination, without Congressional oversight, is exactly what the Founding Fathers fought to prevent. Any other really easy questions?
    - api 27d ago
      There is a racist video game on whitehouse.gov. No we are not Nazi Germany. Yet. But the ideas are absolutely popular in certain places and it takes a lot of deliberate ignoring not to see it.

hackyhacky 27d ago

> Not all is as it appears on the surface or is reported to be. Are you literally asking for a moral re-evaluaion of fascism?

TimTheTinker 27d ago
Heck no. Hitler and Mussolini were deeply evil and their ideology was too. But there's nothing like them happening today.
- hackyhacky 27d ago
  > But there's nothing like them happening today. <rolls eyes> https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-president-and-constitutional-violations-will-the-federal-courts-contain-the-presidents-power-grabs/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-president-and-c...
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api 27d ago

I think we can judge fascism by its fruit. Authoritarian Communism and its variants mostly fail by the same standard: lots of misery and death. A good principle here I think is “a thing is what it does.” It effectively banishes all the sophistry that these kinds of ideologies deploy in their defense. No, a thing is what it does, and these ideologies murder and impoverish. I find it really disheartening that so many people today seem to want to revisit one of these two ideologies. These are the failed death cults of the early 20th century. They should be forgotten. If what we have is not working we need new ideas, not these.

hackyhacky 27d ago
Bit of a false equivalence there. The modern right wants to replace democratic rule of law with enlightened despotism focused on eliminating perceived racial, sexual, and ideological impurities. The modern left wants universal healthcare and high taxes for billionaires, similar to the well-known death cult of Norway. /s These things are not the same.
- TimTheTinker 27d ago
  What the ...? Please show me examples of this on the right, and I don't mean random nutjobs on Twitter or 4chan. That's complete insanity.
  - hackyhacky 27d ago
    Have you read the news lately? The president has given up pretending to obey the law. He's torn down the east wing of the White House (which does not belong to him), he's issued Executive Orders that contradict a plain reading of the Constitution (14th amendment, among others), he has gratuitously and repeatedly violated the Emoluments Clause, he has used the DOJ to attack political enemies on the thinnest of pretenses, he is continuing an illegal "armed conflict" in violation of the War Powers Resolution, etc, etc. This has all been documented thoroughly elsewhere: the president acts like a king and demonstrates contempt for his oath of office. That, in combination with his civil rights abuses, are tantamount to fascism. Under the guise of "immigration enforcement," he's unleashed a horde of undertrained, overpaid henchmen who apparently act above the law, killing people, including US citizens, and denying medical care to detainees, without any fear of accountability. He's also sought to withdraw citizenship from and cancel visas to those people who are legally in the US but, for whatever reason, displease him. This kind of capricious, content-based discrimination, without Congressional oversight, is exactly what the Founding Fathers fought to prevent. Any other really easy questions?
  - api 27d ago
    There is a racist video game on whitehouse.gov. No we are not Nazi Germany. Yet. But the ideas are absolutely popular in certain places and it takes a lot of deliberate ignoring not to see it.