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There is a GREAT, accessible video about this experiment here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjnTJos_no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjnTJos_no
by hammock 21d ago
There is a GREAT, accessible video about this experiment here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjnTJos_no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfjnTJos_no
- dang 19d agoThanks! We'll put that link in the toptext as well.
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- canadiantim 18d agoAny explanation by Roger Penrose is bound to be good
- thrance 18d agoExcept when he's rambling about quantum consciousness or other nonsense, which happens a lot nowadays.
- randomImmigrant 18d agoYou know, I pooh poohed his theories. Still do in sum. But there’s a there there that’s building. Damn Deepak Chopra and his ilk of idiots for making any conversation of quantum mechanics and biology tinged with pseudoscience. Hopefully we’ll keep getting experimental evidence as we go that it’s not at all absurd to consider quantum effects in biology. That said, those effects are going to look nothing like sustained coherence for long periods of time.
- MarkusQ 18d agoThey didn't start the fire. Quantum + biology → Woo has been with us since the 1960s at least.
- yreg 18d agoHave you actually hear him talk about it? It is very far from rambling and he will be the first to tell you that he is not sure he is right. We need physicists to come up with and develop novel ideas to consider no matter how many of them might be entirely wrong.
- GoblinSlayer 18d agoIf mind was random, people would miscalculate 1+1 with 50% probability. So earth might be flat, but it's unlikely.
- yreg 18d ago> If mind was random, people would miscalculate 1+1 with 50% probability. That does not follow at all.
- GoblinSlayer 18d agoMiscalculation doesn't follow from randomness?
- yreg 18d agoIf you run an LLM (with temp >0) and use a true random generator for seeds, it will still tell you 1+1 is 2.
- GoblinSlayer 18d agoYou mean mind is deterministic and cancels all noise? Then what quantum physics would do there?
- yreg 18d agoYou don't need to cancel all the noise to solve 1+1 correctly. The model in the example is non-deterministic. I don't know Penrose's view deeply enough to defend it further (view which I for the record do not share).
- qsera 18d ago>quantum consciousness or other nonsense Can you tell me why it is non-sense? We, through our senses perceive a world. This world we try to understand using physics. But these perceptions itself stands on top of consciousness. So consciousness is at least, as real as the world that physics conventionally tries to reason about. It could be even more fundamental, because you can have only consciousness in this universe, but still could sense a whole universe with "things" inside it. But without consciousness, and just a universe with "things", there is no "sensing"... Point is, physics should include study of consciousness...
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