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Waymo racked up 8,300 SF parking tickets and nearly $1M in fines

19 points by vigneshv_psg 27d ago

v1z 27d ago
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NewsaHackO 27d ago
Off topic but I got the weirdest ads on this site. Has to be off putting to people attempting to read it on their phone in public. Had to close it before getting past the first paragraph.
- fnordian_slip 27d ago
  Firefox mobile has extensions. I didn't get any ads because of ublock origin. No idea how people browse the web without adblockers. Not only because they are an assault on your attention, which is an important resource, but also because of the scams and security implications of ads.
dotcoma 27d ago
$1M in fines on how much in revenue? (I suspect this is the only kpi they care about)
dlcarrier 27d ago
Is a self-driving EV ever parked, or is it just standing?
- Arnt 27d ago
  There might well be a defined test like this one, from a different jurisdiction: 179 seconds is standing, 181 is parking.
  - RobotCaleb 27d ago
    That's quite a large gap in which the vehicle doesn't exist at all
metalman 27d ago
Since all the cars are driven by the same driver, that driver should have there licence taken away for gross incompetence and a failure to learn from there mistakes, and face massivly increased insurance premiums if getting a licence reinstated is even possible for such a horrendously bad driver that has injured 117 people and killed two.
- ben_w 27d ago
  I'm not sure how good or bad any of the current self-driving AI are, but: > a horrendously bad driver that has injured 117 people and killed two. This is conflating "a Waymo vehicle was one of the involved vehicles" with "the Waymo software was responsible for the crash/injury/fatality". Perhaps it was responsible for some the injuries (I'm always open to the possibility); but unlike with some of Uber's and Tesla's infamous fatalities, the Waymo fatalities were determined to not be the fault of the software: The self-driving Waymo car was among six vehicles struck when a fast-moving vehicle slammed into a line of car stopped at a traffic light at the corner of 6th and Harrison Streets, about a mile south of the city’s famed Union Square, according to NBC. While the Waymo was empty, a passenger in one of the other struck vehicles and a dog were killed. Several others also suffered injuries, according to the San Francisco Police Department. - https://highways-news.com/san-francisco-waymo-vehicle-caught-up-in-fatal-collision/ https://highways-news.com/san-francisco-waymo-vehicle-caught... According to authorities, the Waymo vehicle, which was driving with no passengers, was preparing to make a right turn into a parking lot when it was struck from behind by a motorcycle. The Waymo vehicle had slowed for pedestrians blocking its path and was signaling its turn at the time of the incident. Witnesses reported that the motorcyclist did not adjust speed appropriately and collided with the rear of the Waymo. A human-driven vehicle in the adjacent lane then struck the motorcyclist before fleeing the scene. Emergency responders were notified, and the motorcyclist was transported to a local hospital, where he later succumbed to his injuries. Waymo has stated they are cooperating with law enforcement and have provided surveillance footage to assist in the investigation. - https://motorcycleaccidentnews.com/waymo-involved-in-motorcycle-accident-resulting-in-fatality-but-not-deemed-at-fault/ https://motorcycleaccidentnews.com/waymo-involved-in-motorcy...
JumpCrisscross 27d ago
Eh, are they paying them? If so, the solution is exponentiating fines. The city needs revenue. And it’s not like San Francisco’s human drivers are following any of these rules closely.
- dinfinity 27d ago
  The aggregate number also sounds more sensational than reality is: This comes out to roughly 1 parking ticket per vehicle every 2 months. Not something to do nothing about, but also not especially surprising for a taxi service in SF, imho. It would be interesting to see the numbers for Uber/Lyft/taxi drivers.

19 points by vigneshv_psg 27d ago

v1z 27d ago

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Off topic but I got the weirdest ads on this site. Has to be off putting to people attempting to read it on their phone in public. Had to close it before getting past the first paragraph.

fnordian_slip 27d ago
Firefox mobile has extensions. I didn't get any ads because of ublock origin. No idea how people browse the web without adblockers. Not only because they are an assault on your attention, which is an important resource, but also because of the scams and security implications of ads.

dotcoma 27d ago

$1M in fines on how much in revenue? (I suspect this is the only kpi they care about)

dlcarrier 27d ago

Is a self-driving EV ever parked, or is it just standing?

Arnt 27d ago
There might well be a defined test like this one, from a different jurisdiction: 179 seconds is standing, 181 is parking.
- RobotCaleb 27d ago
  That's quite a large gap in which the vehicle doesn't exist at all

metalman 27d ago

Since all the cars are driven by the same driver, that driver should have there licence taken away for gross incompetence and a failure to learn from there mistakes, and face massivly increased insurance premiums if getting a licence reinstated is even possible for such a horrendously bad driver that has injured 117 people and killed two.

ben_w 27d ago
I'm not sure how good or bad any of the current self-driving AI are, but: > a horrendously bad driver that has injured 117 people and killed two. This is conflating "a Waymo vehicle was one of the involved vehicles" with "the Waymo software was responsible for the crash/injury/fatality". Perhaps it was responsible for some the injuries (I'm always open to the possibility); but unlike with some of Uber's and Tesla's infamous fatalities, the Waymo fatalities were determined to not be the fault of the software: The self-driving Waymo car was among six vehicles struck when a fast-moving vehicle slammed into a line of car stopped at a traffic light at the corner of 6th and Harrison Streets, about a mile south of the city’s famed Union Square, according to NBC. While the Waymo was empty, a passenger in one of the other struck vehicles and a dog were killed. Several others also suffered injuries, according to the San Francisco Police Department. - https://highways-news.com/san-francisco-waymo-vehicle-caught-up-in-fatal-collision/ https://highways-news.com/san-francisco-waymo-vehicle-caught... According to authorities, the Waymo vehicle, which was driving with no passengers, was preparing to make a right turn into a parking lot when it was struck from behind by a motorcycle. The Waymo vehicle had slowed for pedestrians blocking its path and was signaling its turn at the time of the incident. Witnesses reported that the motorcyclist did not adjust speed appropriately and collided with the rear of the Waymo. A human-driven vehicle in the adjacent lane then struck the motorcyclist before fleeing the scene. Emergency responders were notified, and the motorcyclist was transported to a local hospital, where he later succumbed to his injuries. Waymo has stated they are cooperating with law enforcement and have provided surveillance footage to assist in the investigation. - https://motorcycleaccidentnews.com/waymo-involved-in-motorcycle-accident-resulting-in-fatality-but-not-deemed-at-fault/ https://motorcycleaccidentnews.com/waymo-involved-in-motorcy...

JumpCrisscross 27d ago

Eh, are they paying them? If so, the solution is exponentiating fines. The city needs revenue. And it’s not like San Francisco’s human drivers are following any of these rules closely.

dinfinity 27d ago
The aggregate number also sounds more sensational than reality is: This comes out to roughly 1 parking ticket per vehicle every 2 months. Not something to do nothing about, but also not especially surprising for a taxi service in SF, imho. It would be interesting to see the numbers for Uber/Lyft/taxi drivers.