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> You want a computer program to be able to take a single phrase and execute decade long journies? In my opinion that is exactly the point missing from AGI: th

> You want a computer program to be able to take a single phrase and execute decade long journies? In my opinion that is exactly the point missing from AGI: the fact that you still need to prompt it. As long as you have to ask for something, is not general.

tetec1 1mo ago
It sounds like what you're saying is that AGI should have some sort of free will. I'm not sure why you would add that as a requirement. Could you expand?
- chmod775 1mo ago
  I think they merely want something with a functioning long term memory. Something that can exhibit growth past the first 5 to 10 human-equivalent hours working on something. Current LLMs are worse than most dementia cases, reaching "peak domain skill" pretty much immediately.
arctic-true 1mo ago
Autonomy is not the same as general intelligence. We already have all kinds of fully autonomous technologies that are nowhere close to generally intelligent. Plus, at a certain level of abstraction, human beings also need to be “prompted” to some extent by stimuli. And this is the funny thing about general intelligence as a concept: most of the definitions that come close to internal coherence rely on references to human intelligence, a concept we feel like we understand because we all live it all the time, but whose actual nature and structure is extremely slippery.
- kooi 29d ago
  Yes everything needs an initial condition. You could have the smartest human political operator, but if he has no context, no motivation, not much is going to happen.
reasonableklout 1mo ago
I don't get it, human employees frequently need to ask for directions too? They often act on their own, too, and get things wrong a lot. The reason it works is because of all the systems of laws and institutions we have built around humans, not so much because human minds are special.
Sankozi 29d ago
You (as a human) don't need to prompt AI. Why do you think it is required?

tetec1 1mo ago

It sounds like what you're saying is that AGI should have some sort of free will. I'm not sure why you would add that as a requirement. Could you expand?

chmod775 1mo ago
I think they merely want something with a functioning long term memory. Something that can exhibit growth past the first 5 to 10 human-equivalent hours working on something. Current LLMs are worse than most dementia cases, reaching "peak domain skill" pretty much immediately.

arctic-true 1mo ago

Autonomy is not the same as general intelligence. We already have all kinds of fully autonomous technologies that are nowhere close to generally intelligent. Plus, at a certain level of abstraction, human beings also need to be “prompted” to some extent by stimuli. And this is the funny thing about general intelligence as a concept: most of the definitions that come close to internal coherence rely on references to human intelligence, a concept we feel like we understand because we all live it all the time, but whose actual nature and structure is extremely slippery.

kooi 29d ago
Yes everything needs an initial condition. You could have the smartest human political operator, but if he has no context, no motivation, not much is going to happen.

reasonableklout 1mo ago

I don't get it, human employees frequently need to ask for directions too? They often act on their own, too, and get things wrong a lot. The reason it works is because of all the systems of laws and institutions we have built around humans, not so much because human minds are special.

Sankozi 29d ago

You (as a human) don't need to prompt AI. Why do you think it is required?