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KataGo isn't very good at exploiting weaker opponents. In chess people were convinced a grandmaster can never be beaten with a knight odds. It's just too easy t
by bluecalm 1mo ago
KataGo isn't very good at exploiting weaker opponents.
In chess people were convinced a grandmaster can never be beaten with a knight odds. It's just too easy to simplify the position and win. It was very easy (for a grandmaster) vs already super human Stockfish. It was still kinda easy (for a strong GM) vs 200+ ELO stronger NNUE Stockfish.
And then someone made a net optimized for exploiting humans. Its games are amazing and it beats GMs with knight odds with ease. It's unreal how good it is at setting traps, playing lines that don't work in theory but the refutation is based on precise tactical sequence a few moves deep. Playing vs it feels like playing vs a spider that slowly weaves a net around you till you can't move anymore.
I predict the same thing is going to happen in Go once the engines catch up.
(You can play those chess bots on Lichess for free. Challenge LeelaQueenOdds or LeelaRookOdds if you are master level or stronger)
- logicallee 1mo agocan the grandmasters still win with rook odds?
- 317070 1mo agothey can win with any odds. But, they can only barely win even with queen odds: https://lqo.leumon.com/ https://lqo.leumon.com/
- Davidzheng 1mo agoThat's a bit misleading. I'm pretty sure grandmasters can win almost all games with queen odds at classical time controls
- bluecalm 1mo agoSometimes, especially at long blitz/rapid but they usually lose. I am master level player (FM) and it took me almost 300 games of slow blitz to beat it with N odds and about 150 games to beat it with rook odds. I was beating it at Q odds (meaning more than 50%) but I suspect it might be even better now than it used to be.
- Davidzheng 1mo agoRandom data point: I'm rather weak (~1500 chess com) and I can take ~1/10 games off Queen odds starting with white (15+10) if i focus. It has some exploitable patterns still, I feel.
- Leptonmaniac 1mo agoI follow some chess channels on YouTube (among them the usual suspects, Gotham, Chessbrah, Eric Rosen) but do you know of any video content that does game reviews of what you describe?
- bernds74 1mo agoYou need to add Chess-Network to your usual suspects.