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This only makes sense if your model is 'the labs are just breaking the rules all the time' as opposed to 'the labs have a legal theory of defense for the one as
by rcxdude 1mo ago
This only makes sense if your model is 'the labs are just breaking the rules all the time' as opposed to 'the labs have a legal theory of defense for the one aspect of the business which is legally questionable'. The question of whether doing something their terms of service explicitly say they will not do opens them up to civil liability is a much more certain one than anything they are doing around copyright. If they are doing this and anyone can prove it, they are going to be sued very hard, and it will be a pretty straightforward case.
(To put it another way: if the copyright arguments against training on data scraped from the internet fail, the big AI companies don't really have a business, so they are going to proceed on the basis that they do until someone forces the issue otherwise. They don't need to train on data from their customers, and that is an argument that is almost certain to fail in court. If you're carrying 100kg of cocaine in your car, speeding is a really dumb idea, but the analogous action here would be firing a machine gun into the air from the driver's seat)
- knollimar 1mo agoWell maybe they have another suspicipus theory for defense of your data. Like taking it, laundering it through a summarizer, and training on that. Surely that's less questionable than taking copyrighted stuff and saying "don't output over 15 words, never verbatim" pretty please.
- rcxdude 1mo agoCopyright has a lot of leeway for arguments about fair use. 'We won't use your data for training' in a contract has far fewer.
- AlexandrB 1mo agoIt doesn't matter. Even if they don't train on your inputs now they will "boil the frog" and do so in the future. What the user wants is irrelevant in the tech industry. > If they are doing this and anyone can prove it, they are going to be sued very hard, and it will be a pretty straightforward case. This is a joke, right? The usual settlement in these cases amounts to a few days worth of revenue.