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It's not just the internet, it's everything. Every document I read at work has been AI generated at some capacity. It's becoming so annoying that I have to use

It's not just the internet, it's everything. Every document I read at work has been AI generated at some capacity. It's becoming so annoying that I have to use AI to create a summary. I don't know if anyone agrees, but AI generated documents are so verbose and explain things in an overcomplicated way that makes me exhausted after reading. Sometimes I don't even understand what AI is trying to explain

phishin 1mo ago
Your comment’s load-bearing property, asserts on the geometry that states it.
- notpachet 1mo ago
  You've hit on something important, and it's real, not cosmetic.
  - genxy 1mo ago
    I know you guys are joking, but this is like peeing in the sauna or shitting upwind. These serious writing samples will just enfreshen the training data.
    - mckee_plus_plus 1mo ago
      Claude's butthole logo, meet Idiocracy
    - glouwbug 1mo ago
      This was really well written, and you hit on a serious point that most miss
    - ahhssja 1mo ago
      [dead]
  - CrzyLngPwd 1mo ago
    A little sick in the throat is normal.
  - ahhssja 1mo ago
    [dead]
  - bot403 1mo ago
    The decision to copy-edit ai output is genuinely yours.
icedchai 1mo ago
It's happening everywhere. We have people using AI to generate documents, then using the same AI to read/summarize them. What is the point? The writing itself, especially with recent Claude models, is often incredibly awkward.
- spicyjpeg 1mo ago
  I like to call this phenomenon "reverse compression", or occasionally "depression". It's even lossy and subject to generational loss.
  - icedchai 1mo ago
    Hah. "Depression" fits well for a few reasons.
- cameronh90 1mo ago
  The logical answer is to send what you would have put into AI. However, terse lists of bullets without any padding or phatic expressions are considered rude. Perhaps previously a long message indicated you'd put time and thought into it. Maybe AI will invert the social signalling, and make conciseness polite. As it should be.
- pixl97 1mo ago
  >What is the point? What is the point is a question to a whole lot of human practices outside of AI, well, that I should say that AI is pointing out. Huge numbers of us have mostly useless jobs. That's not to say they are completely useless, but maybe like at most 50% of the job is useful. The rest just gets filled with busy work and worthless text generation and TPS reports.
  - icedchai 1mo ago
    Agreed, a ton of white-collar job activity is useless: writing reports nobody wants to write for people who don't actually want to read them anyway. Mass AI-induced unemployment is a real possibility within 5 to 10 years, maybe sooner.
jstummbillig 1mo ago
Most likely outcome seems to be that this period will be over very quickly, and we will have better writing than ever before, forever. We should probably put some more thought toward that part and what it will mean.
- rwmj 1mo ago
  Those people will stop really understanding anything because they defer all their writing (and so thinking) to machines. They will get stupider and stupider.
- gizmo686 1mo ago
  Why is that the most likely outcome? The history of automation is filled with cases where the result has been lower quality goods at lower prices.
  - pixl97 1mo ago
    Yea, this is definitely a place where the positive future outlooks have to state why. The cost for text generation will trend toward zero. The amount of models that will be able to generate text will keep expanding making what text is generated or not will become more difficult. The way actual humans write will change because of influence by AI mushing up what is human and what is not human further increasing the impossibility of determining what is AI and what is not. Freedom of speech laws in the US will shoot down any broad legal requirements to mark text as AI generated or not. The consumer financial incentives to go to the 'better' and more expensive products are questionable at best. People consuming a lot of shitty shit because it's cheap is a pretty standard human behavior. It doesn't mean good products won't exist. It means good products will have to do a shit load of work to stand above and beyond the slop, and with systems like the US, these better products are apt to be bought by VC to exploit as much money out of the product by turning it into slop and getting rid of the human assets behind it. Also.. You only notice 'slop', not necessarily things that are written by AI (or lazy humans).
  - DrewADesign 1mo ago
    > Why is that the most likely outcome? Listen, very smart people are very enthusiastic about other very smart people using AI to help AI learn to fix AI. Pretty much open-and-shut, IMO.
elevation 1mo ago
> in an overcomplicated way that makes me exhausted after reading This. I can't even listen to youtube videos any more because of their chat-gpt generated scripts. LLMs will readily generate several pages of superfluous prose, rehashing the same idea with punchy witticisms for no reason. But it uses such compelling connecting words that you might be tricked into believing there will be a payoff long past the point of diminishing returns. I have been enjoying reading literary classics for their poetic concision. Sometimes, a bit of context can allow a simple sentence to form a picture in your mind's eye that would take a few minutes to explain syllogistically. I wish to communicate more like that.
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marknutter 1mo ago
It's still very early days. I have no doubt that etiquette and norms will be established that alleviate these issues.
threethirtytwo 1mo ago
This can be improved. As AI grows it will be better at explaining. For sure people working on frontier models have identified this as a problem.
- surcap526 1mo ago
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- owebmaster 1mo ago
  They didn't or they can't fix. Claude opus 5 writing is much worse than 4 years older models like gpt4
gofreddygo 1mo ago
No kidding. I got a feature handed down (with links to 4 other markdown docs) for what was discussed in person as "api to record audit events". The result is <goes to AI for word count then gives up> wc .\ledger_reqs.md 1090 9347 68071 .\ledger_reqs.md
OptionOfT 1mo ago
For too long we have used length of document as a measure of quality.

phishin 1mo ago

Your comment’s load-bearing property, asserts on the geometry that states it.

notpachet 1mo ago
You've hit on something important, and it's real, not cosmetic.
- genxy 1mo ago
  I know you guys are joking, but this is like peeing in the sauna or shitting upwind. These serious writing samples will just enfreshen the training data.
  - mckee_plus_plus 1mo ago
    Claude's butthole logo, meet Idiocracy
  - glouwbug 1mo ago
    This was really well written, and you hit on a serious point that most miss
  - ahhssja 1mo ago
    [dead]
- CrzyLngPwd 1mo ago
  A little sick in the throat is normal.
- ahhssja 1mo ago
  [dead]
- bot403 1mo ago
  The decision to copy-edit ai output is genuinely yours.

icedchai 1mo ago

It's happening everywhere. We have people using AI to generate documents, then using the same AI to read/summarize them. What is the point? The writing itself, especially with recent Claude models, is often incredibly awkward.

spicyjpeg 1mo ago
I like to call this phenomenon "reverse compression", or occasionally "depression". It's even lossy and subject to generational loss.
- icedchai 1mo ago
  Hah. "Depression" fits well for a few reasons.
cameronh90 1mo ago
The logical answer is to send what you would have put into AI. However, terse lists of bullets without any padding or phatic expressions are considered rude. Perhaps previously a long message indicated you'd put time and thought into it. Maybe AI will invert the social signalling, and make conciseness polite. As it should be.
pixl97 1mo ago
>What is the point? What is the point is a question to a whole lot of human practices outside of AI, well, that I should say that AI is pointing out. Huge numbers of us have mostly useless jobs. That's not to say they are completely useless, but maybe like at most 50% of the job is useful. The rest just gets filled with busy work and worthless text generation and TPS reports.
- icedchai 1mo ago
  Agreed, a ton of white-collar job activity is useless: writing reports nobody wants to write for people who don't actually want to read them anyway. Mass AI-induced unemployment is a real possibility within 5 to 10 years, maybe sooner.

jstummbillig 1mo ago

Most likely outcome seems to be that this period will be over very quickly, and we will have better writing than ever before, forever. We should probably put some more thought toward that part and what it will mean.

rwmj 1mo ago
Those people will stop really understanding anything because they defer all their writing (and so thinking) to machines. They will get stupider and stupider.
gizmo686 1mo ago
Why is that the most likely outcome? The history of automation is filled with cases where the result has been lower quality goods at lower prices.
- pixl97 1mo ago
  Yea, this is definitely a place where the positive future outlooks have to state why. The cost for text generation will trend toward zero. The amount of models that will be able to generate text will keep expanding making what text is generated or not will become more difficult. The way actual humans write will change because of influence by AI mushing up what is human and what is not human further increasing the impossibility of determining what is AI and what is not. Freedom of speech laws in the US will shoot down any broad legal requirements to mark text as AI generated or not. The consumer financial incentives to go to the 'better' and more expensive products are questionable at best. People consuming a lot of shitty shit because it's cheap is a pretty standard human behavior. It doesn't mean good products won't exist. It means good products will have to do a shit load of work to stand above and beyond the slop, and with systems like the US, these better products are apt to be bought by VC to exploit as much money out of the product by turning it into slop and getting rid of the human assets behind it. Also.. You only notice 'slop', not necessarily things that are written by AI (or lazy humans).
- DrewADesign 1mo ago
  > Why is that the most likely outcome? Listen, very smart people are very enthusiastic about other very smart people using AI to help AI learn to fix AI. Pretty much open-and-shut, IMO.

elevation 1mo ago

> in an overcomplicated way that makes me exhausted after reading This. I can't even listen to youtube videos any more because of their chat-gpt generated scripts. LLMs will readily generate several pages of superfluous prose, rehashing the same idea with punchy witticisms for no reason. But it uses such compelling connecting words that you might be tricked into believing there will be a payoff long past the point of diminishing returns. I have been enjoying reading literary classics for their poetic concision. Sometimes, a bit of context can allow a simple sentence to form a picture in your mind's eye that would take a few minutes to explain syllogistically. I wish to communicate more like that.

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marknutter 1mo ago

It's still very early days. I have no doubt that etiquette and norms will be established that alleviate these issues.

threethirtytwo 1mo ago

This can be improved. As AI grows it will be better at explaining. For sure people working on frontier models have identified this as a problem.

surcap526 1mo ago
[dead]
owebmaster 1mo ago
They didn't or they can't fix. Claude opus 5 writing is much worse than 4 years older models like gpt4

gofreddygo 1mo ago

No kidding. I got a feature handed down (with links to 4 other markdown docs) for what was discussed in person as "api to record audit events". The result is <goes to AI for word count then gives up> wc .\ledger_reqs.md 1090 9347 68071 .\ledger_reqs.md

OptionOfT 1mo ago

For too long we have used length of document as a measure of quality.