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> Alright everyone, message received. I was not expecting this response, I honestly had no idea before I made the post The source got deleted, what is the back

> Alright everyone, message received. I was not expecting this response, I honestly had no idea before I made the post The source got deleted, what is the backlash even about? People don't like .net software running on Linux? > Like I said, the code is experimental. A proof of concept showing that PDN-on-WINE is possible. It's not finished. I can literally just delete it. It won't be part of the next build. This almost sounds like sarcasm and a reference to the whole "The Bun-rewritten-in-Rust branch is just a prototype and probably means nothing" Tweet that initially made the frontpage when it. But I think it's in earnest, just very similar to how I remember that Tweet I suppose.

haunter 1mo ago
>The source got deleted, what is the backlash even about? It's Bluesky, they hate AI so the mob bullied him to delete the posts https://web.archive.org/web/20260901203707/https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:tx5mvosoyunwonvwsqs2m2g5/post/3mughvs4yf22n https://web.archive.org/web/20260901203707/https://bsky.app/... >Paint .NET-on-WINE has never been possible because of Direct2D, which WINE has really struggled with (for good reasons). >So like ... why not reimplement Direct2D-in-Paint .NET? Remove the dependency on WINE completely. Clean room reverse engineering ... >Thanks to Claude Code, it's now a reality. More story in the link above. >It's buggy and slow, but real progress is being made. >And I have no idea when/if this will be "production ready" or "supported" or even "good enough." Maybe next year, maybe next month, maybe 2035. >Claude made more progress on this in 3 weeks than we've seen in the 12 years since PDN started using Direct2D in 2014. >This isn't to talk down to the WINE folks, btw. Direct2D has a really complicated effects system, and probably only PDN really uses it, so the ROI was very low. >AI doesn't care. And it doesn't get tired. And this is the perfect task for it: it already has the design (D2D's docs and API), and it already has a known-good implementation of it and an app to test against and bang its head against. >So that's what it did: it banged its head against d2d1.dll and paintdotnet.exe for about 3 weeks until it was able to boot up PDN. In WINE. For real. >Here's PDN on .NET 10 win-x64, in WINE 11.14-dev, on Ubuntu, in WSL2, on Windows 11. And yes it works on real Linux too.
- nashashmi 1mo ago
  I wonder if we will ever get AI-optimized language sets, ie code instructions given specifically to AI agents to develop code for a JIT interpreter. This gives the same results each and every time the instruction to AI is given no matter the version of LLM used.
  - nottorp 1mo ago
    I believe you want compilers?
- muglug 1mo ago
  > It's Bluesky, they hate AI That's not true. The Bluesky team are themselves pretty pro-AI and open about how LLMs are used to build Bluesky and are necessary for moderation. Lots of SWEs on Bluesky (e.g. me) use LLMs a lot and follow other people who do too. On the other hand, artists and writers on there generally hate AI and will gladly take time out of their day to loudly gang up on anyone they see as betraying them.
  - zamadatix 1mo ago
    I think they just meant it as "Bluesky the community" rather than "Bluesky Social, PBC employees". E.g. just like "HN loves corrections" (hello!) refers to the HN community and "Reddit discusses the title" the same.
  - rescbr 1mo ago
    Same feeling as well. Bluesky is also a place amenable to bots.
- vova_hn2 1mo ago
  > the mob bullied him to delete the posts Why not just ignore them? Most of them are probably not Paint.net users anyway. Why listening to some randos most of who wouldn't be using your software anyway.
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Philpax 1mo ago
Use of Claude Code for an application used by artists. Just a fundamental misalignment of expectations.
- diath 1mo ago
  Makes no sense. I don't see physical artists being upset that their pencils were manufactured in a factory instead of hand made.
  - bakugo 1mo ago
    That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
    - diath 1mo ago
      We're in a reply chain discussing a mob of digital artists exercising verbal violence against a digital painting software author who used LLM to assist with the code. This is literally an analogous situation.
      - queenkjuul 1mo ago
        >verbal violence Clearly there's hyperbole on both sides
        ToValueFunfetti 1mo ago
        What does verbal violence mean non-hyperbolically to you? >Verbal abuse (also known as [...] verbal violence [...]) is a type of psychological abuse that involves the use of oral or written language directed to a victim. Verbal abuse can include the act of harassing, labeling, insulting, scolding, rebuking, or excessive yelling towards an individual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse
        embedding-shape 1mo ago

haunter 1mo ago

>The source got deleted, what is the backlash even about? It's Bluesky, they hate AI so the mob bullied him to delete the posts https://web.archive.org/web/20260901203707/https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:tx5mvosoyunwonvwsqs2m2g5/post/3mughvs4yf22n https://web.archive.org/web/20260901203707/https://bsky.app/... >Paint .NET-on-WINE has never been possible because of Direct2D, which WINE has really struggled with (for good reasons). >So like ... why not reimplement Direct2D-in-Paint .NET? Remove the dependency on WINE completely. Clean room reverse engineering ... >Thanks to Claude Code, it's now a reality. More story in the link above. >It's buggy and slow, but real progress is being made. >And I have no idea when/if this will be "production ready" or "supported" or even "good enough." Maybe next year, maybe next month, maybe 2035. >Claude made more progress on this in 3 weeks than we've seen in the 12 years since PDN started using Direct2D in 2014. >This isn't to talk down to the WINE folks, btw. Direct2D has a really complicated effects system, and probably only PDN really uses it, so the ROI was very low. >AI doesn't care. And it doesn't get tired. And this is the perfect task for it: it already has the design (D2D's docs and API), and it already has a known-good implementation of it and an app to test against and bang its head against. >So that's what it did: it banged its head against d2d1.dll and paintdotnet.exe for about 3 weeks until it was able to boot up PDN. In WINE. For real. >Here's PDN on .NET 10 win-x64, in WINE 11.14-dev, on Ubuntu, in WSL2, on Windows 11. And yes it works on real Linux too.

nashashmi 1mo ago
I wonder if we will ever get AI-optimized language sets, ie code instructions given specifically to AI agents to develop code for a JIT interpreter. This gives the same results each and every time the instruction to AI is given no matter the version of LLM used.
- nottorp 1mo ago
  I believe you want compilers?
muglug 1mo ago
> It's Bluesky, they hate AI That's not true. The Bluesky team are themselves pretty pro-AI and open about how LLMs are used to build Bluesky and are necessary for moderation. Lots of SWEs on Bluesky (e.g. me) use LLMs a lot and follow other people who do too. On the other hand, artists and writers on there generally hate AI and will gladly take time out of their day to loudly gang up on anyone they see as betraying them.
- zamadatix 1mo ago
  I think they just meant it as "Bluesky the community" rather than "Bluesky Social, PBC employees". E.g. just like "HN loves corrections" (hello!) refers to the HN community and "Reddit discusses the title" the same.
- rescbr 1mo ago
  Same feeling as well. Bluesky is also a place amenable to bots.
vova_hn2 1mo ago
> the mob bullied him to delete the posts Why not just ignore them? Most of them are probably not Paint.net users anyway. Why listening to some randos most of who wouldn't be using your software anyway.
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Philpax 1mo ago

Use of Claude Code for an application used by artists. Just a fundamental misalignment of expectations.

diath 1mo ago
Makes no sense. I don't see physical artists being upset that their pencils were manufactured in a factory instead of hand made.
- bakugo 1mo ago
  That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
  - diath 1mo ago
    We're in a reply chain discussing a mob of digital artists exercising verbal violence against a digital painting software author who used LLM to assist with the code. This is literally an analogous situation.
    - queenkjuul 1mo ago
      >verbal violence Clearly there's hyperbole on both sides
      - ToValueFunfetti 1mo ago
        What does verbal violence mean non-hyperbolically to you? >Verbal abuse (also known as [...] verbal violence [...]) is a type of psychological abuse that involves the use of oral or written language directed to a victim. Verbal abuse can include the act of harassing, labeling, insulting, scolding, rebuking, or excessive yelling towards an individual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse
        embedding-shape 1mo ago