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Im going with this... scifi stuff still requires engineers. Its laughable and insulting to think these billionaire owners are going to make robots and llm loops
by uptodatenews 1mo ago
Im going with this... scifi stuff still requires engineers. Its laughable and insulting to think these billionaire owners are going to make robots and llm loops to get real shit done
https://rcsnyder.github.io/open-frontier-curriculum/ https://rcsnyder.github.io/open-frontier-curriculum/
Ya "claude can you build me the next cern Thanks"
- ACCount37 1mo ago[flagged]
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- glouwbug 1mo agoDid you read what he posted, or do you place widgets on a webpage
- globalnode 1mo agooh hah! that one got my attention.
- _carbyau_ 1mo agoEngineers know what needs to be tested, how, to what degree, with which materials, and with what safety margin. AI can be trained on that body of work. But then AI has enough issues in output that it needs to be verified. Otherwise we'll live in a world of titan submersibles ordered by CEOs running on hopes&dreams.
- ACCount37 1mo agoReplace "AI" with "humans" and you get the same exact issues. Believe it or not, engineers don't zero shot skyscrapers either. Which is why their work gets reviewed by more engineers. Which catches the issues before they materialize. Sometimes! What's the dreaded impossible-to-replicate human advantage? Because I'm not seeing any.
- fyredge 1mo agoAgency. Humans don't seem to need a markdown to decide what to do next. Without agency, it's all tools. I guess that's why a 'tool' is sometimes used derogatorily.
- ACCount37 1mo ago"LLMs have no agency" had legs in 2022. In 2026 though? In the same 2026 when we have things like "a bunch of proto-GPT-6 agents exploited a test env bug to start talking to each other, and clumped up into an AI hacker team that staged an attack on HuggingFace" happening out in the wild? We're way past "LLMs have no agency", and heading for "LLMs have too much agency".
- fyredge 1mo ago[dead]
- _carbyau_ 1mo agoI think we might be largely in agreement. LLM's should be used to speed up the drudgery, explore creative/evolutionary ideas, but.... > What's the dreaded impossible-to-replicate human advantage? Responsibility. Ultimately LLM's are a tool. Someone has to be responsible for the output. You don't get to use it to create a car/plane/submarine/bridge/building/childs-toy/whatever and then if it bursts into flame, blame the LLM and walk away. Ideally, the person signing off would "know" what they are signing off on. Which requires an engineer.
- somesortofthing 1mo agoWhat happens when the thing they have to be responsible for takes multiple lifetimes to understand on even the most basic level, let alone know deeply enough to feel comfortable taking responsibility for it?
- _carbyau_ 1mo ago
- ofjcihen 1mo agoYou seem to have one goal in every thread and that’s “rage boost” LLMs, often to the point of getting flagged multiple times. I’m honestly wondering if you aren’t just trolling HN.
- esafak 1mo agoHow many CERNs are there? Enough to build careers on?
- whattheheckheck 1mo agoNo, what do you think about the book Four Futures?
- esafak 1mo agoI have not read it but I can't imagine a book written before the current explosion of AI can be accurate. What do you think of it?
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- dhosek 1mo agoFrom what I’ve seen of what AI can do for coding, the part of software engineering that I like is going to be automated out of existence, much like the ability to do serious calculations by hand got automated out of existence with the development of computing. Writing code by hand will be as marketable as factoring 5-digit numbers in your head.¹ ⸻ 1. I enjoy doing both, but I doubt that anyone will pay me what I’ve been paid in the past for this five years from now.
- adrianN 1mo agoIf you want AI-proof careers it seems risky to go into knowledge work at all. Robotics lag behind mere computation, so something where you do awkward work in places designed around human bodies seems a lot safer. Plumbing, landscaping or something like that perhaps.
- lambdaone 1mo agoThis is a romantic and very appealing idea that flies in the face of reality. The market for skilled trade workers like plumbers, electricians, landscapers and so on is more or less in equilibrium, and the demand side of it is relatively inelastic. Dumping hundreds of millions of new workers into these trades will not increase demand sufficiently to let anyone earn a viable living from them.
- adrianN 1mo agoThere is nothing that can absorb millions of new workers. If AI destroys jobs to that degree pitchfork manufacturers will be the only ones left in business. Where I live at least right now it is quite hard to find contractors for anything and many are close to retirement age and have a hard time finding replacements.
- BoxwoodSeed 1mo agoThere's also the thing where trade work is in the process of pricing itself out of what normal folks are willing to afford. Combined with Youtube tutorials and AI help that is getting better, it wouldn't surprise me if more and more people would just decide to do all this stuff themselves at a fraction of the cost.
- RGamma 1mo agoYeah, I feel DIY is definitely on an upswing. There's surprisingly decent info, tools and parts for cheap to be found. And materials are getting simpler to work with. There are still things that will remain difficult (or illegal) in domestic settings for DIY, of course, but that's no model for full employment. I haven't got any experience with them but there's even vendors for house assembly kits that cost a fraction of a finished one. Imagine you idiot-proof house planning and building: just do exactly what the app says. I wonder just how far we have to push this until we finally get the 10h work week.