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> people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. The Arch Linux way is to read the

> people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. The Arch Linux way is to read the excellent wiki documentation, learn about all the choices available, and then make all of those choices so the system is configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way.

jadar 2mo ago
Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? Seems to be the no true scotsman fallacy.
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago
  > Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? I can, and I do. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality > It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.
  - Dylan16807 2mo ago
    Assuming you mean "they don't actually want to use Arch" as a criticism (rather than a truism), I think that's fair for a distro described as "Arch linux but configured X way". I don't think it's a good criticism for something like SteamOS which is configurable but is aiming hard for "it just works".
jaapz 2mo ago
> Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. No, they want to use Arch Linux as configured by DHH
xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
installing arch is enough of a pain that I've been putting off installing it on my desktop for months.
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago
  It's something you do literally once.
  - xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
    Yes and?
    - matheusmoreira 2mo ago
      Yes, and Arch is probably not the right distro for you if you think installing it is a "pain".
- qudat 2mo ago
  archinstall comes preinstalled on the official iso. It’s a normal install flow and takes 5 mins.
AuthAuth 2mo ago
Thats the old arch way. New arch is archinstall + AI
maxlin 2mo ago
Actually we do. I like pacman for example. And don't mind going thru archinstall for a test install once to learn. But my workstation, I'd not like to have to develop, even if I do like configuring minimal installs for other uses like kiosks.
osigurdson 2mo ago
I like and use Arch daily. My "way" was just to get past the fdisk squirrel catcher. After that it was as easy as Ubuntu. I'm not bragging, I wish I'd read the manual but was too impatient for that. I suspect I'm not the only arch user that arrived at it using similar approaches. I might even be a target user for DHH's distro but the bloat (and to some extent the vibe coding) holds me back.
Ikatza 2mo ago
I didn't realise there was a correct way to use Arch, or that there were people authorised to explain what it is. Is that an Arch-exclusive service, or is it available for other distros as well? You say the whole point is ending up with a system configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way, and then you go on to tell us what we are actually allowed to want. That's a bit rich. Starting from someone else's config and then changing whatever annoys you is making the choice, it just skips the part where you spend a weekend reading about display managers to arrive at the same place. That is what dotfiles have been for since roughly forever. By your standard, anyone who used archinstall from the official ISO isn't really using Arch either, and I suppose the truly enlightened path is Linux From Scratch, compiled this morning, on hardware you soldered yourself.

jadar 2mo ago

Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? Seems to be the no true scotsman fallacy.

matheusmoreira 2mo ago
> Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? I can, and I do. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality > It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.
- Dylan16807 2mo ago
  Assuming you mean "they don't actually want to use Arch" as a criticism (rather than a truism), I think that's fair for a distro described as "Arch linux but configured X way". I don't think it's a good criticism for something like SteamOS which is configurable but is aiming hard for "it just works".

jaapz 2mo ago

> Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. No, they want to use Arch Linux as configured by DHH

xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago

installing arch is enough of a pain that I've been putting off installing it on my desktop for months.

matheusmoreira 2mo ago
It's something you do literally once.
- xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
  Yes and?
  - matheusmoreira 2mo ago
    Yes, and Arch is probably not the right distro for you if you think installing it is a "pain".
qudat 2mo ago
archinstall comes preinstalled on the official iso. It’s a normal install flow and takes 5 mins.

AuthAuth 2mo ago

Thats the old arch way. New arch is archinstall + AI

maxlin 2mo ago

Actually we do. I like pacman for example. And don't mind going thru archinstall for a test install once to learn. But my workstation, I'd not like to have to develop, even if I do like configuring minimal installs for other uses like kiosks.

osigurdson 2mo ago

I like and use Arch daily. My "way" was just to get past the fdisk squirrel catcher. After that it was as easy as Ubuntu. I'm not bragging, I wish I'd read the manual but was too impatient for that. I suspect I'm not the only arch user that arrived at it using similar approaches. I might even be a target user for DHH's distro but the bloat (and to some extent the vibe coding) holds me back.

Ikatza 2mo ago

I didn't realise there was a correct way to use Arch, or that there were people authorised to explain what it is. Is that an Arch-exclusive service, or is it available for other distros as well? You say the whole point is ending up with a system configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way, and then you go on to tell us what we are actually allowed to want. That's a bit rich. Starting from someone else's config and then changing whatever annoys you is making the choice, it just skips the part where you spend a weekend reading about display managers to arrive at the same place. That is what dotfiles have been for since roughly forever. By your standard, anyone who used archinstall from the official ISO isn't really using Arch either, and I suppose the truly enlightened path is Linux From Scratch, compiled this morning, on hardware you soldered yourself.