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The whole point of Omarchy is for people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does. So I think it's a little different. Anybody using

The whole point of Omarchy is for people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does. So I think it's a little different. Anybody using an opinionated respin should understand what they're getting.

matheusmoreira 1mo ago
> people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. The Arch Linux way is to read the excellent wiki documentation, learn about all the choices available, and then make all of those choices so the system is configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way.
- jadar 1mo ago
  Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? Seems to be the no true scotsman fallacy.
  - matheusmoreira 1mo ago
    > Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? I can, and I do. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality > It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.
    - Dylan16807 1mo ago
      Assuming you mean "they don't actually want to use Arch" as a criticism (rather than a truism), I think that's fair for a distro described as "Arch linux but configured X way". I don't think it's a good criticism for something like SteamOS which is configurable but is aiming hard for "it just works".
- jaapz 1mo ago
  > Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. No, they want to use Arch Linux as configured by DHH
- xyzsparetimexyz 1mo ago
  installing arch is enough of a pain that I've been putting off installing it on my desktop for months.
  - matheusmoreira 1mo ago
    It's something you do literally once.
    - xyzsparetimexyz 1mo ago
      Yes and?
      - matheusmoreira 1mo ago
        Yes, and Arch is probably not the right distro for you if you think installing it is a "pain".
  - qudat 1mo ago
    archinstall comes preinstalled on the official iso. It’s a normal install flow and takes 5 mins.
- AuthAuth 1mo ago
  Thats the old arch way. New arch is archinstall + AI
- maxlin 1mo ago
  Actually we do. I like pacman for example. And don't mind going thru archinstall for a test install once to learn. But my workstation, I'd not like to have to develop, even if I do like configuring minimal installs for other uses like kiosks.
- osigurdson 1mo ago
  I like and use Arch daily. My "way" was just to get past the fdisk squirrel catcher. After that it was as easy as Ubuntu. I'm not bragging, I wish I'd read the manual but was too impatient for that. I suspect I'm not the only arch user that arrived at it using similar approaches. I might even be a target user for DHH's distro but the bloat (and to some extent the vibe coding) holds me back.
- Ikatza 1mo ago
  I didn't realise there was a correct way to use Arch, or that there were people authorised to explain what it is. Is that an Arch-exclusive service, or is it available for other distros as well? You say the whole point is ending up with a system configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way, and then you go on to tell us what we are actually allowed to want. That's a bit rich. Starting from someone else's config and then changing whatever annoys you is making the choice, it just skips the part where you spend a weekend reading about display managers to arrive at the same place. That is what dotfiles have been for since roughly forever. By your standard, anyone who used archinstall from the official ISO isn't really using Arch either, and I suppose the truly enlightened path is Linux From Scratch, compiled this morning, on hardware you soldered yourself.
Aurornis 1mo ago
The Omarchy team admitted it was a mistake and corrected it quickly. It’s strange that so many people are trying to call this security error intentional.
- maxlin 1mo ago
  It might be a mistake but not a serious one, like it's a common setting they had on for convenience of development without being too insecure, but forgot to leave it out of public release. So there's nothing weird. It being on originally was intentional and not crazy. Only it going all they way wasn't.
  - troupo 1mo ago
    > but forgot to leave it out of public release. They didn't forget. They never knew it was there. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49502099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49502099
    - maxlin 1mo ago
      That's just stupid speculation. Overly active analytics / tracing stuff is not uncommon during dev. Likely they just did it to be able to debug things better in the weirdest cases; doing a full session replay basically when you have the whole original state of the repo
zer0zzz 1mo ago
What exactly is special about rolling a custom arch in this instance? Like, why does this get so much attention? Do web developers really care about what DHH does that much? Like, I get it if thats the case. Say, if Chris Lattner or Andrej Karpathy rolled some ML GPU programming distro I'd probably care about it and try and see if it made me more productive.
- osigurdson 1mo ago
  DHH made Ruby on Rails and lots of people love it (not for me, personally).
  - zer0zzz 1mo ago
    Everyone knows that, but that was 20 years ago. Why do people still care?
    - teekert 1mo ago
      Care should age? At what rate, do you propose?
      - zer0zzz 1mo ago
        I thought that’s pretty much the way all technology goes. Just seems silly to take promotion an operating system that’s essentially a lot of config files atop existing work seriously from someone that made a popular web development framework 20 years ago. That’d be like me caring about a distro Gavin king made because he made hibernate in the 2000s at jboss.
- JeremyNT 1mo ago
  He leveraged his past success as a web developer to get into online culture war punditry. Now he's a prominent race-baiting reactionary. There's a sort of cult of personality around him at this point. His acolytes follow him for his nativist views, and then adopt his technology unthinkingly. I don't know why my comment was downvoted above. This isn't a serious distribution and you shouldn't expect it to be. It's a vanity project of a niche alt right tech bro, and this is the level of rigor you should expect.

matheusmoreira 1mo ago

> people who want to use Arch Linux but have it configured the way DHH does Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. The Arch Linux way is to read the excellent wiki documentation, learn about all the choices available, and then make all of those choices so the system is configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way.

jadar 1mo ago
Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? Seems to be the no true scotsman fallacy.
- matheusmoreira 1mo ago
  > Couldn’t you say that about any Arch spinoff? I can, and I do. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#User_centrality > It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.
  - Dylan16807 1mo ago
    Assuming you mean "they don't actually want to use Arch" as a criticism (rather than a truism), I think that's fair for a distro described as "Arch linux but configured X way". I don't think it's a good criticism for something like SteamOS which is configurable but is aiming hard for "it just works".
jaapz 1mo ago
> Then they don't actually want to use Arch Linux. No, they want to use Arch Linux as configured by DHH
xyzsparetimexyz 1mo ago
installing arch is enough of a pain that I've been putting off installing it on my desktop for months.
- matheusmoreira 1mo ago
  It's something you do literally once.
  - xyzsparetimexyz 1mo ago
    Yes and?
    - matheusmoreira 1mo ago
      Yes, and Arch is probably not the right distro for you if you think installing it is a "pain".
- qudat 1mo ago
  archinstall comes preinstalled on the official iso. It’s a normal install flow and takes 5 mins.
AuthAuth 1mo ago
Thats the old arch way. New arch is archinstall + AI
maxlin 1mo ago
Actually we do. I like pacman for example. And don't mind going thru archinstall for a test install once to learn. But my workstation, I'd not like to have to develop, even if I do like configuring minimal installs for other uses like kiosks.
osigurdson 1mo ago
I like and use Arch daily. My "way" was just to get past the fdisk squirrel catcher. After that it was as easy as Ubuntu. I'm not bragging, I wish I'd read the manual but was too impatient for that. I suspect I'm not the only arch user that arrived at it using similar approaches. I might even be a target user for DHH's distro but the bloat (and to some extent the vibe coding) holds me back.
Ikatza 1mo ago
I didn't realise there was a correct way to use Arch, or that there were people authorised to explain what it is. Is that an Arch-exclusive service, or is it available for other distros as well? You say the whole point is ending up with a system configured the user's way instead of some celebrity's way, and then you go on to tell us what we are actually allowed to want. That's a bit rich. Starting from someone else's config and then changing whatever annoys you is making the choice, it just skips the part where you spend a weekend reading about display managers to arrive at the same place. That is what dotfiles have been for since roughly forever. By your standard, anyone who used archinstall from the official ISO isn't really using Arch either, and I suppose the truly enlightened path is Linux From Scratch, compiled this morning, on hardware you soldered yourself.

Aurornis 1mo ago

The Omarchy team admitted it was a mistake and corrected it quickly. It’s strange that so many people are trying to call this security error intentional.

maxlin 1mo ago
It might be a mistake but not a serious one, like it's a common setting they had on for convenience of development without being too insecure, but forgot to leave it out of public release. So there's nothing weird. It being on originally was intentional and not crazy. Only it going all they way wasn't.
- troupo 1mo ago
  > but forgot to leave it out of public release. They didn't forget. They never knew it was there. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49502099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49502099
  - maxlin 1mo ago
    That's just stupid speculation. Overly active analytics / tracing stuff is not uncommon during dev. Likely they just did it to be able to debug things better in the weirdest cases; doing a full session replay basically when you have the whole original state of the repo

zer0zzz 1mo ago

What exactly is special about rolling a custom arch in this instance? Like, why does this get so much attention? Do web developers really care about what DHH does that much? Like, I get it if thats the case. Say, if Chris Lattner or Andrej Karpathy rolled some ML GPU programming distro I'd probably care about it and try and see if it made me more productive.

osigurdson 1mo ago
DHH made Ruby on Rails and lots of people love it (not for me, personally).
- zer0zzz 1mo ago
  Everyone knows that, but that was 20 years ago. Why do people still care?
  - teekert 1mo ago
    Care should age? At what rate, do you propose?
    - zer0zzz 1mo ago
      I thought that’s pretty much the way all technology goes. Just seems silly to take promotion an operating system that’s essentially a lot of config files atop existing work seriously from someone that made a popular web development framework 20 years ago. That’d be like me caring about a distro Gavin king made because he made hibernate in the 2000s at jboss.
JeremyNT 1mo ago
He leveraged his past success as a web developer to get into online culture war punditry. Now he's a prominent race-baiting reactionary. There's a sort of cult of personality around him at this point. His acolytes follow him for his nativist views, and then adopt his technology unthinkingly. I don't know why my comment was downvoted above. This isn't a serious distribution and you shouldn't expect it to be. It's a vanity project of a niche alt right tech bro, and this is the level of rigor you should expect.