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I'll go against the grain but our capitalist way of life is totally incompatible with solving climate change. Likewise one country can't solve this problem alon

I'll go against the grain but our capitalist way of life is totally incompatible with solving climate change. Likewise one country can't solve this problem alone. You need the whole world on board. I truly think the only real solution is a one world government truly working toward for the betterment of the planet and it's occupants. We all know that ain't ever gonna happen though so we're hosed.

Gigachad 1mo ago
It seems we are no more capable of organizing than bacteria in a petri dish could avoid replicating until the resources are exhausted.
switchbak 1mo ago
Hey I grew up super environmental and I have plenty of hippie cred, but this statement gave me shudders "the only real solution is a one world government". Yeesh, yeah a single government, surely nothing could go wrong.
- tapoxi 1mo ago
  I mean we're staring at apocalypse here so it's not like the alternative is any better.
  - jimbokun 1mo ago
    It can ALWAYS get worse.
  - switchbak 1mo ago
    We're always staring at the apocalypse though. It is really worse than during the Cuban missile crisis? Also: you can justify just about anything by inspiring panic. I'm not buying it.
- polotics 1mo ago
  The Savior fallacy. With power more concentrated, the ability to avoid being impacted for those in power rises and rises and rises. How are incentives then aligned? I'm sure that having 10 million governments would be much better than having one to solve the issue.
jimbokun 1mo ago
Let me guess, you think it’s somehow impossible that people like Trump and Musk would end up running this One World Government like Trey have done in the US because…reasons.
- dylan604 1mo ago
  The rest of the world would have to accept a Trump and Musk leadership. That seems like a really big ask
  - macintux 1mo ago
    China accepts a dictator. Russia accepts a dictator. India accepts a nationalist demagogue.
    - dylan604 1mo ago
      Are they led by Trump and Musk though? You've misinterpreted the meaning of the question. I didn't ask what countries would accept being led by a national demagogue. Also, would other countries accept being led by the leader of the countries you listed?
      - jimbokun 1mo ago
        People like Trump and Musk.
tito 1mo ago
I've had this thought too. And when I think about it in the big picture way, I don't think it doesn't need to be all that hard to solve. It's not like we're talking about like, you know, some huge slice of GDP or something. Yes, the price of fossil fuels effectively doubles. But we can create lots of jobs to make solar and nuclear and all these other solutions in the meantime. An economy that seizes climate solutions can zoom ahead in terms of innovation, manufacturing, and enforcement. The changing climate is one of the biggest economic opportunities we've ever seen in human history, but somehow we've convinced ourselves that it's not only the worst non-opportunity ever but somehow would break capitalism. The richest man on the planet makes electric cars.

Gigachad 1mo ago

It seems we are no more capable of organizing than bacteria in a petri dish could avoid replicating until the resources are exhausted.

switchbak 1mo ago

Hey I grew up super environmental and I have plenty of hippie cred, but this statement gave me shudders "the only real solution is a one world government". Yeesh, yeah a single government, surely nothing could go wrong.

tapoxi 1mo ago
I mean we're staring at apocalypse here so it's not like the alternative is any better.
- jimbokun 1mo ago
  It can ALWAYS get worse.
- switchbak 1mo ago
  We're always staring at the apocalypse though. It is really worse than during the Cuban missile crisis? Also: you can justify just about anything by inspiring panic. I'm not buying it.
polotics 1mo ago
The Savior fallacy. With power more concentrated, the ability to avoid being impacted for those in power rises and rises and rises. How are incentives then aligned? I'm sure that having 10 million governments would be much better than having one to solve the issue.

jimbokun 1mo ago

Let me guess, you think it’s somehow impossible that people like Trump and Musk would end up running this One World Government like Trey have done in the US because…reasons.

dylan604 1mo ago
The rest of the world would have to accept a Trump and Musk leadership. That seems like a really big ask
- macintux 1mo ago
  China accepts a dictator. Russia accepts a dictator. India accepts a nationalist demagogue.
  - dylan604 1mo ago
    Are they led by Trump and Musk though? You've misinterpreted the meaning of the question. I didn't ask what countries would accept being led by a national demagogue. Also, would other countries accept being led by the leader of the countries you listed?
    - jimbokun 1mo ago
      People like Trump and Musk.

tito 1mo ago

I've had this thought too. And when I think about it in the big picture way, I don't think it doesn't need to be all that hard to solve. It's not like we're talking about like, you know, some huge slice of GDP or something. Yes, the price of fossil fuels effectively doubles. But we can create lots of jobs to make solar and nuclear and all these other solutions in the meantime. An economy that seizes climate solutions can zoom ahead in terms of innovation, manufacturing, and enforcement. The changing climate is one of the biggest economic opportunities we've ever seen in human history, but somehow we've convinced ourselves that it's not only the worst non-opportunity ever but somehow would break capitalism. The richest man on the planet makes electric cars.