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A web-wide moment of silence for Sandy Hook

18 points by coloneltcb 14y ago

dmschulman 14y ago
What a useless hollow gesture.
- kaonashi 14y ago
  You think you're too good to wear the ribbon?
- pg 14y ago
  Not at all. Among other things this shows politicians how much people care about fixing this problem. With any luck it will be another "if the people lead, the leaders will follow" moment like with SOPA.
  - freehunter 14y ago
    I can't tell if you're serious or joking, but without a call to action (for gun control, mental health services, whatever you support) there's nothing to be done here. If there was a call to action, I would support it a bit more.
    - coloneltcb 14y ago
      Hi, we've updated the site with a FAQ that addresses this thanks
  - deleted 14y ago
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freehunter 14y ago
So this lasts for... how long? One minute? How many users will see it, and how many of them will not appreciate it? I understand the SOPA blackout, that directly impacts the web and it brought attention to a major issue. The shooting at Sandy Hook already has massive media attention and doesn't directly impact the web. There are memorials set up, there is an address you can send cards, there is probably a donation form somewhere. The shooting was tragic and I support memorial services for the victims, but the only sites I see blacking out are ones where no one is going to see it anyway. I would be somewhat disappointed if any site I visited was observing this moment of silence. There are appropriate places to mourn.
- codegeek 14y ago
  "doesn't directly impact the web" Try telling that to the scamsters who have launched hundreds of sites asking for donations to victim's family when they have absolutely no connection to the victims.
  - freehunter 14y ago
    And a virtual moment of silence helps resolve this how? The SOPA blackout was to draw attention to an issue that threatened to potentially shut down the web as we know it. You'll find scammers anywhere. I stand by "doesn't directly impact the web". Scams are not a threat to the web, they're a threat to the people who fall for them. Do you think this moment of silence is going to convince the scammers to close up shop? The site doesn't even call out scams as a reason for this blackout. Maybe to give your point more credibility, the author of this could add in a call to action to shut down scam sites, with a reasonable method to follow in achieving this goal. Instead, it's as effective as putting a ribbon on your car.
armored_mammal 14y ago
Yes, let's play with people's emotions. Maybe after seeing this they will feel good about my site and pay me. Just because something is a tragedy doesn't mean we should turn it into a hoopla of cooperative and meaningless tripe. Skip the hollow gestures and spend a real moment of silence yourself maybe?
- deleted 14y ago
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thuffy 14y ago
Why are we even discussing guns? They account for less than 0.5% of deaths (excluding suicides) in the USA. You are two and a half times more likely to fall to your death accidentally than be killed by a gun. You are three and a half times more likely to die in a car crash. Heart disease kills 28 innocent people in the USA every 25 minutes! Cancer kills another 28 innocent people in that time! More innocent people die from car crashes every minute than die from guns. Does a mad gunman kill 28 people every 25 minutes? I haven't even heard of any more such shooting this week, nevermind every 25 minutes since the Sandy Hook incident. Guns don't even make the top 15 list* (below)! And #15 ranks in at 2.8% the amount of deaths as #1. In the interest of tackling problems that would actually make a meaningful difference, looking at causes at that small percentage of the problem is really a waste of time. If any remember not too long ago, the 'year of the shark', it is much like how that 'epidemic' of shark attacks was suddenly so pressing in our consciousness. Not because you had any chance at all of dying of shark attacks, but simply because the media had chosen to spotlight the infinitesimally small amount of deaths caused by sharks. Just as you have no chance to die of sharks, you have no chance to die from guns. Just because the media purposely chooses to fill their pages with mostly gun crime doesn't mean that what they choose to report actually reflects the ratios that exist in reality. The tyrants have an agenda to disarm the people so that they can more easily enslave them. Just as the tyrants of Russia took control of the media in order to sway peoples opinions to suit their agenda, the tyrants of our countries have long ago done so as well. In the USA, approximately 6,755 people die - every day. Twenty eight people dying is a sad thing, but irrelevant to the 6,755 people that die every day! The national media focuses on this negligible number of deaths because it suits the agenda of the parasitic ruling class. If they didn't choose to focus on it (for weeks and weeks even), then it would just be another 0.4145% of the deaths that occurred in a day. Guns are our only defense against the next Trotsky, Stalin, Lennin or Mao once again purging a 100 million of their own people. Let's ban cars instead of guns. It would prevent more deaths, and cars are a lot less important to our freedom than guns. I would rather walk or bike to work than be thrown in the next gulag or purged because we allowed the tyrants to disarm their people. Note that it is right to exclude suicides because: a) really, those people have the right to die, b) only half of suicides are by guns, thus you would only cut suicide by 50%, and c) you wouldn't even cut it by 50% as probably most of those people would use another way to kill themselves just like the other 50% of people who commit suicide do. Regardless, even if you don't exclude suicide then you are still more likely to die from falling or an auto accident than by a gun. Proof of the pure BS that the media is stirring up against guns: From the CDC's: National Vital Statistics Report, Volume 60, Number 4 (January 2012) Numbers for 2010 (latest tabulated in the 2012 report): Total deaths in 2010: 2,465,932 595,444 Heart Disease 573,855 Cancer 137,789 Chronic lower respiratory disease 129,180 Cerebrovascular disease 118,043 Accidents [A] 83,308 Alzheimer's 68,905 Diabetes mellitus 50,472 Influenza and pneumonia 37,793 Suicide [S] 37,843 Septicemia 31,802 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 26,577 Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 21,963 Parkinson's disease 17,001 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids ... ( ^ top 15 ) 16,065 Assault (homicide) [M] 472,889 All other causes [A]: 118,043 Accidents (total) -> 37,661 Transport accidents ---> 35,080 Motor vehicle accidents -> 25,903 Accidental Falls -> 600 Accidental discharge of firearms -> ... [S]: 37,793 Suicide (total) -> 19,308 Suicide by discharge of firearms -> 18,485 Suicide by other means. [M]: 16,065 Assault (homicide) -> 11,015 Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms -> 5,050 Assault (homicide) by other means.
jacalata 14y ago
First image: "We are observing a national moment of silence". I hope you will be targeting this exclusively to people with US-based IP addresses.
shuzchen 14y ago
At first glance I'd think this was illegitimate. I mean, you expect people to deploy this before tomorrow, and the script tag isn't ready yet? Sure, I'll let you harvest my email address. If it weren't for the fact that this was created by the people behind causes.com, my alarms would be ringing. Project creators should probably take some direction from sopablackout.org, or even modify the sopablackout snippet (it's not hard to do) to suit their needs. Since the users will be linking to an external resource, they can install it as soon as possible (and should, if they expect to have as many users as possible) and updates can be pushed out behind the scenes. (disclosure, I'm responsible for the js snippet on sopablackout - yes, if anybody wants to ping me with questions about how it works I'm available)
mikeleeorg 14y ago
They finally released their JS script: http://www.causes.com/moment_of_silence.js http://www.causes.com/moment_of_silence.js In case anyone is curious, this modal dialogue stays up for 5 min. The script is hosted on their servers, not a CDN. It uses the client's system time. And it is somewhat configurable, offering the three global (ack) variables: * showText (boolean to display action link) * text (action link text) * url (action link to causes.org)

18 points by coloneltcb 14y ago

dmschulman 14y ago

What a useless hollow gesture.

kaonashi 14y ago
You think you're too good to wear the ribbon?
pg 14y ago
Not at all. Among other things this shows politicians how much people care about fixing this problem. With any luck it will be another "if the people lead, the leaders will follow" moment like with SOPA.
- freehunter 14y ago
  I can't tell if you're serious or joking, but without a call to action (for gun control, mental health services, whatever you support) there's nothing to be done here. If there was a call to action, I would support it a bit more.
  - coloneltcb 14y ago
    Hi, we've updated the site with a FAQ that addresses this thanks
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]

freehunter 14y ago

So this lasts for... how long? One minute? How many users will see it, and how many of them will not appreciate it? I understand the SOPA blackout, that directly impacts the web and it brought attention to a major issue. The shooting at Sandy Hook already has massive media attention and doesn't directly impact the web. There are memorials set up, there is an address you can send cards, there is probably a donation form somewhere. The shooting was tragic and I support memorial services for the victims, but the only sites I see blacking out are ones where no one is going to see it anyway. I would be somewhat disappointed if any site I visited was observing this moment of silence. There are appropriate places to mourn.

codegeek 14y ago
"doesn't directly impact the web" Try telling that to the scamsters who have launched hundreds of sites asking for donations to victim's family when they have absolutely no connection to the victims.
- freehunter 14y ago
  And a virtual moment of silence helps resolve this how? The SOPA blackout was to draw attention to an issue that threatened to potentially shut down the web as we know it. You'll find scammers anywhere. I stand by "doesn't directly impact the web". Scams are not a threat to the web, they're a threat to the people who fall for them. Do you think this moment of silence is going to convince the scammers to close up shop? The site doesn't even call out scams as a reason for this blackout. Maybe to give your point more credibility, the author of this could add in a call to action to shut down scam sites, with a reasonable method to follow in achieving this goal. Instead, it's as effective as putting a ribbon on your car.

armored_mammal 14y ago

Yes, let's play with people's emotions. Maybe after seeing this they will feel good about my site and pay me. Just because something is a tragedy doesn't mean we should turn it into a hoopla of cooperative and meaningless tripe. Skip the hollow gestures and spend a real moment of silence yourself maybe?

deleted 14y ago
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thuffy 14y ago

Why are we even discussing guns? They account for less than 0.5% of deaths (excluding suicides) in the USA. You are two and a half times more likely to fall to your death accidentally than be killed by a gun. You are three and a half times more likely to die in a car crash. Heart disease kills 28 innocent people in the USA every 25 minutes! Cancer kills another 28 innocent people in that time! More innocent people die from car crashes every minute than die from guns. Does a mad gunman kill 28 people every 25 minutes? I haven't even heard of any more such shooting this week, nevermind every 25 minutes since the Sandy Hook incident. Guns don't even make the top 15 list* (below)! And #15 ranks in at 2.8% the amount of deaths as #1. In the interest of tackling problems that would actually make a meaningful difference, looking at causes at that small percentage of the problem is really a waste of time. If any remember not too long ago, the 'year of the shark', it is much like how that 'epidemic' of shark attacks was suddenly so pressing in our consciousness. Not because you had any chance at all of dying of shark attacks, but simply because the media had chosen to spotlight the infinitesimally small amount of deaths caused by sharks. Just as you have no chance to die of sharks, you have no chance to die from guns. Just because the media purposely chooses to fill their pages with mostly gun crime doesn't mean that what they choose to report actually reflects the ratios that exist in reality. The tyrants have an agenda to disarm the people so that they can more easily enslave them. Just as the tyrants of Russia took control of the media in order to sway peoples opinions to suit their agenda, the tyrants of our countries have long ago done so as well. In the USA, approximately 6,755 people die - every day. Twenty eight people dying is a sad thing, but irrelevant to the 6,755 people that die every day! The national media focuses on this negligible number of deaths because it suits the agenda of the parasitic ruling class. If they didn't choose to focus on it (for weeks and weeks even), then it would just be another 0.4145% of the deaths that occurred in a day. Guns are our only defense against the next Trotsky, Stalin, Lennin or Mao once again purging a 100 million of their own people. Let's ban cars instead of guns. It would prevent more deaths, and cars are a lot less important to our freedom than guns. I would rather walk or bike to work than be thrown in the next gulag or purged because we allowed the tyrants to disarm their people. Note that it is right to exclude suicides because: a) really, those people have the right to die, b) only half of suicides are by guns, thus you would only cut suicide by 50%, and c) you wouldn't even cut it by 50% as probably most of those people would use another way to kill themselves just like the other 50% of people who commit suicide do. Regardless, even if you don't exclude suicide then you are still more likely to die from falling or an auto accident than by a gun. Proof of the pure BS that the media is stirring up against guns: From the CDC's: National Vital Statistics Report, Volume 60, Number 4 (January 2012) Numbers for 2010 (latest tabulated in the 2012 report): Total deaths in 2010: 2,465,932 595,444 Heart Disease 573,855 Cancer 137,789 Chronic lower respiratory disease 129,180 Cerebrovascular disease 118,043 Accidents [A] 83,308 Alzheimer's 68,905 Diabetes mellitus 50,472 Influenza and pneumonia 37,793 Suicide [S] 37,843 Septicemia 31,802 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 26,577 Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 21,963 Parkinson's disease 17,001 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids ... ( ^ top 15 ) 16,065 Assault (homicide) [M] 472,889 All other causes [A]: 118,043 Accidents (total) -> 37,661 Transport accidents ---> 35,080 Motor vehicle accidents -> 25,903 Accidental Falls -> 600 Accidental discharge of firearms -> ... [S]: 37,793 Suicide (total) -> 19,308 Suicide by discharge of firearms -> 18,485 Suicide by other means. [M]: 16,065 Assault (homicide) -> 11,015 Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms -> 5,050 Assault (homicide) by other means.

jacalata 14y ago

First image: "We are observing a national moment of silence". I hope you will be targeting this exclusively to people with US-based IP addresses.

shuzchen 14y ago

At first glance I'd think this was illegitimate. I mean, you expect people to deploy this before tomorrow, and the script tag isn't ready yet? Sure, I'll let you harvest my email address. If it weren't for the fact that this was created by the people behind causes.com, my alarms would be ringing. Project creators should probably take some direction from sopablackout.org, or even modify the sopablackout snippet (it's not hard to do) to suit their needs. Since the users will be linking to an external resource, they can install it as soon as possible (and should, if they expect to have as many users as possible) and updates can be pushed out behind the scenes. (disclosure, I'm responsible for the js snippet on sopablackout - yes, if anybody wants to ping me with questions about how it works I'm available)

mikeleeorg 14y ago

They finally released their JS script: http://www.causes.com/moment_of_silence.js http://www.causes.com/moment_of_silence.js In case anyone is curious, this modal dialogue stays up for 5 min. The script is hosted on their servers, not a CDN. It uses the client's system time. And it is somewhat configurable, offering the three global (ack) variables: * showText (boolean to display action link) * text (action link text) * url (action link to causes.org)