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Outsider here. The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. It's a clone, and not a subtle one either. To call this "Baseless" is hilarious.

danaris 1mo ago
That's...straight-up false. Unless you have some source for this, you're just lying here. Yes, it's inspired by Minecraft. The screenshots are of voxel-based survival crafter games you can build with their platform. The textures are not Minecraft textures. They are similar in style, sure, but that's not remotely the same thing. You can't copyright a general visual style, nor can you copyright a game genre. To call this anything but "baseless" would be hilarious.
- stronglikedan 1mo ago
  > Yes, it's inspired by Minecraft. More likely that Minecraft was inspired by Luanti since Luanti was released first. (at least, formally released)
  - jamilton 1mo ago
    Well no, Minecraft was already wildly popular while it was in beta. Luanti was explicitly inspired by Minecraft, as stated in the article it was named Minetest up until a few years ago.
  - danaris 1mo ago
    Do you understand what the difference between "creation" and "release" is? And which one actually involves inspiration...?
Supermancho 1mo ago
Also outsider (like it matters). > The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. Irrelevant to the DMCA claim. > It's a clone, and not a subtle one either. You are incorrect. Luanti is not a minecraft clone. It's more akin to Godot. I can import Minecraft assets into Godot, but it does not make Godot a copyright violator because of my actions. > To call this "Baseless" is hilarious. I would say it's justified.
Retr0id 1mo ago
They are not any more Minecraft screenshots than Minecraft screenshots are Roblox screenshots.
- nba456_ 1mo ago
  Objectively, you're wrong.
  - Retr0id 1mo ago
    Objectively, that's subjective.
joey486DX4 1mo ago
> The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. They're not. It's a voxel game engine with an open source history dating back a year (October 2010) before Minecraft 1.0 was released (November 2011). There are plenty of games for Luanti that have different textures and objectives. It's all open source. Download it and try some of the different games.
xboxnolifes 1mo ago
Being block based doesn't mean it is using Minecraft assets. Minecraft does not own the idea of having a block based world, and there are quite a few popular (and many unpopular) block-based games. If you played Minecraft you should be able to tell that none of the assets are Minecraft assets.
- WarmWash 1mo ago
  Unfortunately (or fortunately, juries are generally a good thing), it's a jury of randos that will be shown the screenshots and asked to make a determination. https://www.luanti.org/en/#gallery https://www.luanti.org/en/#gallery What percentage of the population would see those screenshots and say "Definitely Luanti" 0.00001%? 0.001%?
  - xboxnolifes 1mo ago
    If they put them side by side with the closest minecraft equivalent? Hopefully a few. If it was a clone, surely the images would be the same.
    - WarmWash 1mo ago
      A clone isn't the benchmark for breaking the law though, substantial similarity is. There are a gazillion cases that establish this, and the reason why you can't just paint spiderman green and start selling t-shirts with "spyderman" on them.
      - Ukv 1mo ago
        Green Spiderman would be copying of protected elements - like Spiderman's outline. Style and general ideas are not protected by copyright. Substantial similarity comes in as a test for whether copying of those protected elements occurred, to avoid an otherwise disprovable "I didn't copy, I just drew Spiderman's exact outline by complete coincidence" defense, but is irrelevant if the what's supposedly been copied isn't protected by copyright in the first place.
dzaima 1mo ago
The things/concepts that those screenshots have that infiniminer (a voxel game made before minecraft) doesn't is... grass, trees, glass. I hate to bring it to you, but minecraft didn't invent those. And it certainly didn't invent the concept of a voxel world (not that it could even copyright that if it did). Never mind that the things in those in-game screenshots aren't even in the play store app, they're separately downloadable things.
SmasherEpilepti 1mo ago
> The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. They are literally not Minecraft screenshots. Your statement is a lie.
culi 1mo ago
Any voxel game looks like this... Look at Veloren. Another open source voxel game that doesn't even have mining or anything in common w MC. Still has that look
nofriend 1mo ago
Cloning games is not copyright infringement. Think what that would mean for a popular infiniminer clone

danaris 1mo ago

That's...straight-up false. Unless you have some source for this, you're just lying here. Yes, it's inspired by Minecraft. The screenshots are of voxel-based survival crafter games you can build with their platform. The textures are not Minecraft textures. They are similar in style, sure, but that's not remotely the same thing. You can't copyright a general visual style, nor can you copyright a game genre. To call this anything but "baseless" would be hilarious.

stronglikedan 1mo ago
> Yes, it's inspired by Minecraft. More likely that Minecraft was inspired by Luanti since Luanti was released first. (at least, formally released)
- jamilton 1mo ago
  Well no, Minecraft was already wildly popular while it was in beta. Luanti was explicitly inspired by Minecraft, as stated in the article it was named Minetest up until a few years ago.
- danaris 1mo ago
  Do you understand what the difference between "creation" and "release" is? And which one actually involves inspiration...?

Supermancho 1mo ago

Also outsider (like it matters). > The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. Irrelevant to the DMCA claim. > It's a clone, and not a subtle one either. You are incorrect. Luanti is not a minecraft clone. It's more akin to Godot. I can import Minecraft assets into Godot, but it does not make Godot a copyright violator because of my actions. > To call this "Baseless" is hilarious. I would say it's justified.

Retr0id 1mo ago

They are not any more Minecraft screenshots than Minecraft screenshots are Roblox screenshots.

nba456_ 1mo ago
Objectively, you're wrong.
- Retr0id 1mo ago
  Objectively, that's subjective.

joey486DX4 1mo ago

> The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. They're not. It's a voxel game engine with an open source history dating back a year (October 2010) before Minecraft 1.0 was released (November 2011). There are plenty of games for Luanti that have different textures and objectives. It's all open source. Download it and try some of the different games.

xboxnolifes 1mo ago

Being block based doesn't mean it is using Minecraft assets. Minecraft does not own the idea of having a block based world, and there are quite a few popular (and many unpopular) block-based games. If you played Minecraft you should be able to tell that none of the assets are Minecraft assets.

WarmWash 1mo ago
Unfortunately (or fortunately, juries are generally a good thing), it's a jury of randos that will be shown the screenshots and asked to make a determination. https://www.luanti.org/en/#gallery https://www.luanti.org/en/#gallery What percentage of the population would see those screenshots and say "Definitely Luanti" 0.00001%? 0.001%?
- xboxnolifes 1mo ago
  If they put them side by side with the closest minecraft equivalent? Hopefully a few. If it was a clone, surely the images would be the same.
  - WarmWash 1mo ago
    A clone isn't the benchmark for breaking the law though, substantial similarity is. There are a gazillion cases that establish this, and the reason why you can't just paint spiderman green and start selling t-shirts with "spyderman" on them.
    - Ukv 1mo ago
      Green Spiderman would be copying of protected elements - like Spiderman's outline. Style and general ideas are not protected by copyright. Substantial similarity comes in as a test for whether copying of those protected elements occurred, to avoid an otherwise disprovable "I didn't copy, I just drew Spiderman's exact outline by complete coincidence" defense, but is irrelevant if the what's supposedly been copied isn't protected by copyright in the first place.

dzaima 1mo ago

The things/concepts that those screenshots have that infiniminer (a voxel game made before minecraft) doesn't is... grass, trees, glass. I hate to bring it to you, but minecraft didn't invent those. And it certainly didn't invent the concept of a voxel world (not that it could even copyright that if it did). Never mind that the things in those in-game screenshots aren't even in the play store app, they're separately downloadable things.

SmasherEpilepti 1mo ago

> The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. They are literally not Minecraft screenshots. Your statement is a lie.

culi 1mo ago

Any voxel game looks like this... Look at Veloren. Another open source voxel game that doesn't even have mining or anything in common w MC. Still has that look

nofriend 1mo ago

Cloning games is not copyright infringement. Think what that would mean for a popular infiniminer clone