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Who says that the pictures are amateurish and that amateurs are taking the pictures? Also, I don't expect them to take 1500 pictures, but 1500 usable pictures (

by Argorak 14y ago

Who says that the pictures are amateurish and that amateurs are taking the pictures? Also, I don't expect them to take 1500 pictures, but 1500 usable pictures (one per act). Please read through the linked statement in the article, there is actually a long text attached. And yes, you have to prioritize. One of the factors is actual volunteers. There are people that volunteer for rock festivals and did a prototype that was well received. So why not let them do stuff that they volunteer for? Because Polka should be covered as well? The article calls this "highly questionable". No, its a thought out decision that went through multiple levels of review.

varjag 14y ago
These are volunteers who are taking the pictures, I doubt they all are professional photographers. Which is fine, photography isn't that hard, these days you can't really swing a dead cat without hitting a decent photographer. My point was that amateur photography doesn't cost on €12 a pop today, if only due to sheer abundance of imagery. > There are people that volunteer for rock festivals and did a prototype that was well received. So why not let them do stuff that they volunteer for? Because Polka should be covered as well? This is not someone's private project we're talking about, but resources contributed by people. These are not their money, they don't get to decide. I clearly don't give a damn about Polka either, but I'm sure there are tons of places in Wikipedia where investment would make more sense.
- Argorak 14y ago
  > This is not someone's private project we're talking about, but resources contributed by people. These are not their money, they don't get to decide. Thats where you have it wrong. Once you donated the money, it is theirs and they can use it at their discretion, as long as you haven't stated what the money is specifically for and the use isn't fraudulent. Yes, they can even spend it on beer to improve employee morale and they certainly do from time to time.
  - tommorris 14y ago
    Well, the other thing is that Wikimedia Deutschland do not necessarily get all of their funding from the Wikipedia fundraiser. Chapters often raise money themselves and sometimes get money from third parties specifically for particular projects and partnerships. In Britain, for instance, most of the Wikimedia partnerships I've been involved in have had no cost to the chapter beyond a low-cost train fare and a few sandwiches. A lot of the cost is shared with the organisations we are partnering with. There are hundreds of organisations that want to work with Wikimedia, and it's usually of the "spend a few quid on sandwiches" variety. The idea that people are getting rich off Wikimedia chapter outreach type work is ludicrous. If I want to get rich, well, my consulting day rate is a hell of a lot more than the cost of a sandwich and a train fare.
- Retric 14y ago
  It's not 1 photo, it's the best photo out however many they took + publishing rights. And Publishing rights for a single high quality photo can easily cost you thousands of dollars.
pbhjpbhj 14y ago
>There are people that volunteer for rock festivals and did a prototype that was well received. So why not let them do stuff that they volunteer for? // Isn't the point - in part at least - that you aren't letting them do stuff they volunteer for but are paying someone else to do it. And that the payments to some editors or content providers automatically adds a political/social bias by favouring rock concerts over other performing arts (say).
- Argorak 14y ago
  No, the grant is for supporting wikipedia volunteers to fulfill their project. There is a detailed discussion here: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Achim_Raschka/Festivalsommer_2013&oldid=108611267 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussio... (in german, obviously)

by Argorak 14y ago

varjag 14y ago

These are volunteers who are taking the pictures, I doubt they all are professional photographers. Which is fine, photography isn't that hard, these days you can't really swing a dead cat without hitting a decent photographer. My point was that amateur photography doesn't cost on €12 a pop today, if only due to sheer abundance of imagery. > There are people that volunteer for rock festivals and did a prototype that was well received. So why not let them do stuff that they volunteer for? Because Polka should be covered as well? This is not someone's private project we're talking about, but resources contributed by people. These are not their money, they don't get to decide. I clearly don't give a damn about Polka either, but I'm sure there are tons of places in Wikipedia where investment would make more sense.

Argorak 14y ago
> This is not someone's private project we're talking about, but resources contributed by people. These are not their money, they don't get to decide. Thats where you have it wrong. Once you donated the money, it is theirs and they can use it at their discretion, as long as you haven't stated what the money is specifically for and the use isn't fraudulent. Yes, they can even spend it on beer to improve employee morale and they certainly do from time to time.
- tommorris 14y ago
  Well, the other thing is that Wikimedia Deutschland do not necessarily get all of their funding from the Wikipedia fundraiser. Chapters often raise money themselves and sometimes get money from third parties specifically for particular projects and partnerships. In Britain, for instance, most of the Wikimedia partnerships I've been involved in have had no cost to the chapter beyond a low-cost train fare and a few sandwiches. A lot of the cost is shared with the organisations we are partnering with. There are hundreds of organisations that want to work with Wikimedia, and it's usually of the "spend a few quid on sandwiches" variety. The idea that people are getting rich off Wikimedia chapter outreach type work is ludicrous. If I want to get rich, well, my consulting day rate is a hell of a lot more than the cost of a sandwich and a train fare.
Retric 14y ago
It's not 1 photo, it's the best photo out however many they took + publishing rights. And Publishing rights for a single high quality photo can easily cost you thousands of dollars.

pbhjpbhj 14y ago

>There are people that volunteer for rock festivals and did a prototype that was well received. So why not let them do stuff that they volunteer for? // Isn't the point - in part at least - that you aren't letting them do stuff they volunteer for but are paying someone else to do it. And that the payments to some editors or content providers automatically adds a political/social bias by favouring rock concerts over other performing arts (say).

Argorak 14y ago
No, the grant is for supporting wikipedia volunteers to fulfill their project. There is a detailed discussion here: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Achim_Raschka/Festivalsommer_2013&oldid=108611267 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussio... (in german, obviously)