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This is quite sad, so I've felt a bit guilty for enjoying the summer we've had in upstate NY. Local farmers seem happy even though spring was a bit wetter than

by pfdietz 2mo ago

This is quite sad, so I've felt a bit guilty for enjoying the summer we've had in upstate NY. Local farmers seem happy even though spring was a bit wetter than optimal. The corn is looking very good and the apple crop promises to be large. I will not be surprised if we get a lot of snow this winter.

FrustratedMonky 2mo ago
With climate change, there will be some winners. Until there is not. /edit. The meaning is, as the earth gets hotter, there will be winners, until it gets too hot for them too. Eventually it is too hot for all areas. But for a time, northern climates will be nice. Siberia could become a vast farm land, at same time there are no humans left at the equator. But that wont last either.
- pfdietz 2mo ago
  To be clear, I wasn't trying to sugarcoat climate change, just expressing some (mild) guilt.
  - exhumet 2mo ago
    which is also totally fine, like unless you are running for president what can YOU as a single person do besides trying to do the right thing and living with the outcome of whatever whims of someone in charge will do.
- drstewart 2mo ago
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  - adrianN 2mo ago
    People and ecosystems adapt to the status quo. The problem with climate change is not the temperature per se (earth has been hotter in the past) but the rate of change that makes adaption very difficult.
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kakacik 2mo ago
Yeah russia is very happy with global climate change for example. It doesn't change the underlying fact that long term it can be a brutal challenge for humanity and higher life on Earth. Maybe something good will come out of it, even dumbest magas et al realizing this ain't right, but I am no longer having any hope for the dumber part of the spectrum of mankind, they seem to be only reachable and manageable via emotions on which you can't build anything long term stable. Nothing life overall can't handle, it handled much worse situations (till sun scorches it all to the cinder in a +-billion year). Our current civilization, or mankind in general are much more finicky though.
xyzelement 2mo ago
Your post made me think about something that has circled my mind for a while. I grew up with an anxious mother and looking back on it what "mattered" to her (admittedly I don't think she can help it at all) is the feeling of anxiety itself. In other words whatever is happening she'll feel anxious about that. The "event" would just be an excuse to feel the way she was anyway going to feel. You would think that a break for anxiety - a moment of peace and calm - would be welcome - but it's almost a crime. I've noticed this with other anxious people as well that they often don't want to not feel anxious because that feeling is somehow problematic. I think I used to be like that too. Why am I sharing this? I think your post is such an honest take on something. You feel good about something you should absolutely feel good about (nice weather) but the zeitgeist is that you should feel anxious about it. This squares away with something I noticed - separately from the science and mitigation, some people are only able to speak about climate in tones of anxiety - worst case predictions will definitely come through, everyone else is criminally stupid and will cause us to die, etc - and they are allergic to any other time of speaking about the issue. So for example any suggestion that there might be a milder path or that the estimates are a range etc is not met with relief but with vitriol. I apologize again for using your post as a prompt to put this in words - but what I read in your words is the pressure to feel anxious about something that you just aren't anxious about (hi from Vermont btw same great weather here) and I think this "pressure to feel anxious/guilty" is a byproduct of those who have grabbed on to climate as an "event" that justifies their own anxious feelings. Again that's separate from what's actually going on - I am commenting on anxiety not climate.
- tuesdaynight 2mo ago
  I don't think that this is about climate change only. 24 hours news cycle created this constant anxiety, that was overly exacerbated by social media. I stopped following news some years ago and it's eye-opening how most crisis are completely irrelevant if you don't put yourself in that anxious state.
  - xyzelement 2mo ago
    Completely agree! I also find Gell Mann amnesia at play - obsessively following the news does not mean you're "well informed".

by pfdietz 2mo ago

FrustratedMonky 2mo ago

With climate change, there will be some winners. Until there is not. /edit. The meaning is, as the earth gets hotter, there will be winners, until it gets too hot for them too. Eventually it is too hot for all areas. But for a time, northern climates will be nice. Siberia could become a vast farm land, at same time there are no humans left at the equator. But that wont last either.

pfdietz 2mo ago
To be clear, I wasn't trying to sugarcoat climate change, just expressing some (mild) guilt.
- exhumet 2mo ago
  which is also totally fine, like unless you are running for president what can YOU as a single person do besides trying to do the right thing and living with the outcome of whatever whims of someone in charge will do.
drstewart 2mo ago
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- adrianN 2mo ago
  People and ecosystems adapt to the status quo. The problem with climate change is not the temperature per se (earth has been hotter in the past) but the rate of change that makes adaption very difficult.

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kakacik 2mo ago

Yeah russia is very happy with global climate change for example. It doesn't change the underlying fact that long term it can be a brutal challenge for humanity and higher life on Earth. Maybe something good will come out of it, even dumbest magas et al realizing this ain't right, but I am no longer having any hope for the dumber part of the spectrum of mankind, they seem to be only reachable and manageable via emotions on which you can't build anything long term stable. Nothing life overall can't handle, it handled much worse situations (till sun scorches it all to the cinder in a +-billion year). Our current civilization, or mankind in general are much more finicky though.

xyzelement 2mo ago

Your post made me think about something that has circled my mind for a while. I grew up with an anxious mother and looking back on it what "mattered" to her (admittedly I don't think she can help it at all) is the feeling of anxiety itself. In other words whatever is happening she'll feel anxious about that. The "event" would just be an excuse to feel the way she was anyway going to feel. You would think that a break for anxiety - a moment of peace and calm - would be welcome - but it's almost a crime. I've noticed this with other anxious people as well that they often don't want to not feel anxious because that feeling is somehow problematic. I think I used to be like that too. Why am I sharing this? I think your post is such an honest take on something. You feel good about something you should absolutely feel good about (nice weather) but the zeitgeist is that you should feel anxious about it. This squares away with something I noticed - separately from the science and mitigation, some people are only able to speak about climate in tones of anxiety - worst case predictions will definitely come through, everyone else is criminally stupid and will cause us to die, etc - and they are allergic to any other time of speaking about the issue. So for example any suggestion that there might be a milder path or that the estimates are a range etc is not met with relief but with vitriol. I apologize again for using your post as a prompt to put this in words - but what I read in your words is the pressure to feel anxious about something that you just aren't anxious about (hi from Vermont btw same great weather here) and I think this "pressure to feel anxious/guilty" is a byproduct of those who have grabbed on to climate as an "event" that justifies their own anxious feelings. Again that's separate from what's actually going on - I am commenting on anxiety not climate.

tuesdaynight 2mo ago
I don't think that this is about climate change only. 24 hours news cycle created this constant anxiety, that was overly exacerbated by social media. I stopped following news some years ago and it's eye-opening how most crisis are completely irrelevant if you don't put yourself in that anxious state.
- xyzelement 2mo ago
  Completely agree! I also find Gell Mann amnesia at play - obsessively following the news does not mean you're "well informed".