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See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in th

by sib 1mo ago

See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in the state because it would also reduce requirements for union labor. Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon (and in many cases, the benefits are specifically to the more senior union members vis a vis the less senior ones.)

magicalist 1mo ago
> See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in the state because it would also reduce requirements for union labor If you're talking about AB 1751 (Missing Middle Townhome Ownership Act) I think you have this exactly backwards. > Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon As opposed to what? You and the GGP phrase this as a dichotomy, but I'm really curious what the other side of this is, because "not being in a union" doesn't erase your self interest or all the many many groups of people doing the same that don't feel like they're apparently being overly self interested by forming corporations, governments, non-profits, advocacy groups, etc, etc, etc
- fuck_google 1mo ago
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Dayshine 1mo ago
> Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon (and in many cases, the benefits are specifically to the more senior union members vis a vis the less senior In the US. In the UK all the major unions I know don't require membership and fight for all employees in the industries they represent. E.g. as a software developer on a research project at a University I got all the negotiated benefits of the academic Union.
- w3ll_w3ll_w3ll 1mo ago
  In Italy too. We have national contracts that are negotiated by unions for the whole indistry and are valid for all workers of the same industry, not only members.
Melatonic 1mo ago
They've also been proven to increase wages for people in the same industry who are not even in the union due to raising the floor in general for what good labor should cost

by sib 1mo ago

magicalist 1mo ago

> See current situation where the Carpenters' Union in California is pushing hard against an initiative that would make it much easier to build more housing in the state because it would also reduce requirements for union labor If you're talking about AB 1751 (Missing Middle Townhome Ownership Act) I think you have this exactly backwards. > Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon As opposed to what? You and the GGP phrase this as a dichotomy, but I'm really curious what the other side of this is, because "not being in a union" doesn't erase your self interest or all the many many groups of people doing the same that don't feel like they're apparently being overly self interested by forming corporations, governments, non-profits, advocacy groups, etc, etc, etc

fuck_google 1mo ago
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Dayshine 1mo ago

> Unions are very much an in-group vs out-group phenomenon (and in many cases, the benefits are specifically to the more senior union members vis a vis the less senior In the US. In the UK all the major unions I know don't require membership and fight for all employees in the industries they represent. E.g. as a software developer on a research project at a University I got all the negotiated benefits of the academic Union.

w3ll_w3ll_w3ll 1mo ago
In Italy too. We have national contracts that are negotiated by unions for the whole indistry and are valid for all workers of the same industry, not only members.

Melatonic 1mo ago

They've also been proven to increase wages for people in the same industry who are not even in the union due to raising the floor in general for what good labor should cost