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Using LLMs in a project like this is also somewhat illegal, because LLMs may have inside information about apple devices and it's not allowed to use it.

hhh 1mo ago
do you have a source for this? it doesn't really make sense to me
- worldsavior 1mo ago
  In illegal output: https://asahilinux.org/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/slop/
realusername 1mo ago
That's nonsense, then it would also be somewhat illegal to use it inside Apple, being trained on GPL licensed code (and it's not even a possibility here but a known fact)
- worldsavior 1mo ago
  Apple probably uses API with ZDR. I'm talking about leaks.
  - realusername 1mo ago
    That's not going to save them, the model could leak GPL licensed code on output as well, and it's an order of magnitude more likely than leaking internal documents. These large tech companies can't have their cake and eat it too.
    - worldsavior 1mo ago
      It's not new Anthropic/OpenAI/whatever trained on copyrighted code and leaks (anna's archive). Companies just don't give a shit because you can't prove it. In Asahi Linux specifically, there was not long ago a PR for M3 or similar for removing a big roadblock that existed (and I think still exists). Turns out this whole PR was implemented by an LLM (using copyrighted materials, probably most of it is Apple's) and it was immediately closed. Yes, it's a problem and illegal.
      - realusername 1mo ago
        If you can't prove it, you can't prove it both ways. Either everybody gets to use it or nobody does. Especially that the code getting trained on is for the vast majority copyrighted open source software so if anybody has something to say, it's the opensource community rather than Apple
        n4r9 1mo ago
        It sounds like Asahi are holding themselves to a higher standard;hey won't violate copyright even if no one can prove it.
        worldsavior 1mo ago
        It makes sense, though they don't seem to take any chances. If Apple ever files a lawsuit, Asahi Linux is done.
        vb-8448 1mo ago
        It's not how the legal system works. It doesn't matter if they can't prove it, their legal budget is just too big compared to anything Asahi team can do.
- dang 1mo ago
  Can you please edit out swipes like "That's nonsense" from your posts here? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment would be just fine without that bit. (I realize these little things may seem insignificant, but (1) it's customary for people to underestimate the provocations in their own posts and overestimate those in others, and (2) they add up like mercury in the bloodstream.)

hhh 1mo ago

do you have a source for this? it doesn't really make sense to me

worldsavior 1mo ago
In illegal output: https://asahilinux.org/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/slop/

realusername 1mo ago

That's nonsense, then it would also be somewhat illegal to use it inside Apple, being trained on GPL licensed code (and it's not even a possibility here but a known fact)

worldsavior 1mo ago
Apple probably uses API with ZDR. I'm talking about leaks.
- realusername 1mo ago
  That's not going to save them, the model could leak GPL licensed code on output as well, and it's an order of magnitude more likely than leaking internal documents. These large tech companies can't have their cake and eat it too.
  - worldsavior 1mo ago
    It's not new Anthropic/OpenAI/whatever trained on copyrighted code and leaks (anna's archive). Companies just don't give a shit because you can't prove it. In Asahi Linux specifically, there was not long ago a PR for M3 or similar for removing a big roadblock that existed (and I think still exists). Turns out this whole PR was implemented by an LLM (using copyrighted materials, probably most of it is Apple's) and it was immediately closed. Yes, it's a problem and illegal.
    - realusername 1mo ago
      If you can't prove it, you can't prove it both ways. Either everybody gets to use it or nobody does. Especially that the code getting trained on is for the vast majority copyrighted open source software so if anybody has something to say, it's the opensource community rather than Apple
      - n4r9 1mo ago
        It sounds like Asahi are holding themselves to a higher standard;hey won't violate copyright even if no one can prove it.
      - worldsavior 1mo ago
        It makes sense, though they don't seem to take any chances. If Apple ever files a lawsuit, Asahi Linux is done.
      - vb-8448 1mo ago
        It's not how the legal system works. It doesn't matter if they can't prove it, their legal budget is just too big compared to anything Asahi team can do.
dang 1mo ago
Can you please edit out swipes like "That's nonsense" from your posts here? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment would be just fine without that bit. (I realize these little things may seem insignificant, but (1) it's customary for people to underestimate the provocations in their own posts and overestimate those in others, and (2) they add up like mercury in the bloodstream.)