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Is Asahi an LLM-hostile project? I'd imagine this is something that would be benefitted tremendously with a Fable class model

alberth 1mo ago
> Meanwhile, donations and pledges kept slowly decreasing, and have done so since the project launched. Not enough to spell immediate doom for my dream of working on Asahi full time in the short term, but enough to make me wonder if any of this was really appreciated. The all-time peak monthly donation volume was the very first month or two. It seemed the more things we accomplished, the less support we had. I think the issue is funding is so low the developers don’t even have access to newer Apple Siicon, let alone funding for token costs, etc. https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-lead/ https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-l...
superdisk 1mo ago
> It is the opinion of the Board that Large Language Models (LLMs), herein referred to as Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use as software engineering tools, particularly in the Free and Open Source Software movement. https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/
- not_a9 1mo ago
  I wonder how they handle merging upstream clanked stuff.
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worldsavior 1mo ago
Using LLMs in a project like this is also somewhat illegal, because LLMs may have inside information about apple devices and it's not allowed to use it.
- hhh 1mo ago
  do you have a source for this? it doesn't really make sense to me
  - worldsavior 1mo ago
    In illegal output: https://asahilinux.org/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/slop/
- realusername 1mo ago
  That's nonsense, then it would also be somewhat illegal to use it inside Apple, being trained on GPL licensed code (and it's not even a possibility here but a known fact)
  - worldsavior 1mo ago
    Apple probably uses API with ZDR. I'm talking about leaks.
    - realusername 1mo ago
      That's not going to save them, the model could leak GPL licensed code on output as well, and it's an order of magnitude more likely than leaking internal documents. These large tech companies can't have their cake and eat it too.
      - worldsavior 1mo ago
        It's not new Anthropic/OpenAI/whatever trained on copyrighted code and leaks (anna's archive). Companies just don't give a shit because you can't prove it. In Asahi Linux specifically, there was not long ago a PR for M3 or similar for removing a big roadblock that existed (and I think still exists). Turns out this whole PR was implemented by an LLM (using copyrighted materials, probably most of it is Apple's) and it was immediately closed. Yes, it's a problem and illegal.
robocat 1mo ago
Asahi appears to be LLM-hostile with extreme prejudice: https://asahilinux.org/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/slop/

alberth 1mo ago

> Meanwhile, donations and pledges kept slowly decreasing, and have done so since the project launched. Not enough to spell immediate doom for my dream of working on Asahi full time in the short term, but enough to make me wonder if any of this was really appreciated. The all-time peak monthly donation volume was the very first month or two. It seemed the more things we accomplished, the less support we had. I think the issue is funding is so low the developers don’t even have access to newer Apple Siicon, let alone funding for token costs, etc. https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-lead/ https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-l...

superdisk 1mo ago

> It is the opinion of the Board that Large Language Models (LLMs), herein referred to as Slop Generators, are unsuitable for use as software engineering tools, particularly in the Free and Open Source Software movement. https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/

not_a9 1mo ago
I wonder how they handle merging upstream clanked stuff.

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worldsavior 1mo ago

Using LLMs in a project like this is also somewhat illegal, because LLMs may have inside information about apple devices and it's not allowed to use it.

hhh 1mo ago
do you have a source for this? it doesn't really make sense to me
- worldsavior 1mo ago
  In illegal output: https://asahilinux.org/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/slop/
realusername 1mo ago
That's nonsense, then it would also be somewhat illegal to use it inside Apple, being trained on GPL licensed code (and it's not even a possibility here but a known fact)
- worldsavior 1mo ago
  Apple probably uses API with ZDR. I'm talking about leaks.
  - realusername 1mo ago
    That's not going to save them, the model could leak GPL licensed code on output as well, and it's an order of magnitude more likely than leaking internal documents. These large tech companies can't have their cake and eat it too.
    - worldsavior 1mo ago
      It's not new Anthropic/OpenAI/whatever trained on copyrighted code and leaks (anna's archive). Companies just don't give a shit because you can't prove it. In Asahi Linux specifically, there was not long ago a PR for M3 or similar for removing a big roadblock that existed (and I think still exists). Turns out this whole PR was implemented by an LLM (using copyrighted materials, probably most of it is Apple's) and it was immediately closed. Yes, it's a problem and illegal.

robocat 1mo ago

Asahi appears to be LLM-hostile with extreme prejudice: https://asahilinux.org/slop/ https://asahilinux.org/slop/