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This tumblr level of discourse is precisely what the Linux community needs to leave behind.

by fidotron 2mo ago

pessimizer 2mo ago
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- cr3ative 2mo ago
  What would you characterise the two linked security reports as, if not holes?
  - Cakez0r 2mo ago
    The two links are the same same bug. Hardly "full of security holes"
    - deleted 2mo ago
      [deleted]
  - pessimizer 2mo ago
    I would characterize them as "links." As opposed to a discussion of security holes.
    - cr3ative 2mo ago
      I think I would argue that linking to the security problem(s) and then writing about their style and how they probably came to be counts as discussion, but to each their own.
      - pessimizer 2mo ago
        I didn't know security holes had a "style." I suppose their style is "literal Nazi" judging by this thread.
        cr3ative 2mo ago
        The blog mentions AI and untrusted input sanitisation. Hope your day gets better.
- phendrenad2 2mo ago
  > doesn't talk about security holes at all Literally the first sentence in the post has links to two security holes lol
  - pessimizer 2mo ago
    That's not talking about security holes, that's linking to talk about security holes lol
- eesmith 2mo ago
  The HN submission link is incorrectly titled. The blog is titled "Merchants of Insecurity". The word "hole" does not exist anywhere on the page, the HTML, or the HTTP headers. Yesterday's submission used the correct title: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49433378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49433378
- mexicocitinluez 2mo ago
  > A bunch of terminally online people have decided to make stalking DHH into a personality/lifestyle aka A person should be able to espouse xenophobic and bigoted remarks without worrying about being criticized for it. "But won't someone think of the tech bro who incessantly talks out of his ass and punches down!!!!!"
  - soupbowl 2mo ago
    [flagged]
    - mexicocitinluez 2mo ago
      I have no clue what "shut the internet down" is supposed to mean. How come it's never righteous when the trillionaire or Ruby guy spilled thousands of words a day on social media about immigrants but calling it out is?
  - rbanffy 2mo ago
    > aka A person should be able to espouse xenophobic and bigoted remarks without worrying about being criticized for it. People on the political right keep confusing freedom to say whatever you think with saying whatever you think with not having to deal with the consequences of speaking whatever you think. DHH is free to blog about his racist beliefs and we are free to call him a racist.
- gilrain 2mo ago
  > decided to make stalking DHH into a personality/lifestyle > When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. An intellectually honest guy like you is probably so furious that DHH makes a personality out of stalking entire peoples. Pathetic++, right? :^:
- HumansEatHumans 2mo ago
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cyanydeez 2mo ago
Isn't the rise of AI basically turning software engineering into tumblr? Thats what I see; soon we'll have a forum that's just filled with roblox-but-for-adults.
- dgellow 2mo ago
  Seems to be the “dream” the AI leaders want to sell at least
preommr 2mo ago
People have taken 'everything is political' to mean 'politics must be discussed for everything'. I am old enough that I've been burned by both sides of the political aisle, often using the same rhetoric (think of the children, we're fighting for freedom, we're fighting against fascism, no true scoctsman, etc.) Maybe the day will come when we really will have to pick sides beyond the elections, like it's WWII, but that day isn't today. I just want to be left alone, away from political camps and the ugliness they tolerate because of they're fighting against the greater good. I just want my tech to focused on the tech.
- rbanffy 2mo ago
  > both sides of the political aisle There is a false equivalence happening. In this case, both sides are the people who just want to exist without being attacked for being themselves and the people who say they are wolves and that wolves need to be shot to protect the sheep. I want people like DHH and his supporters out of the tech I use. I don't trust them, nor do I trust their judgment.
  - bigbadfeline 2mo ago
    >> OTOH, fighting bigotry is something we should never leave behind. > [we] just want to exist without being attacked for being themselves and [they say we're] wolves who need to be shot to protect the sheep. Weird, you're the author of both of the above quotes but "just wanting to exist" is very different from "a never ending war on bigotry". It's either one or the other, can't be both because war begets war.
rbanffy 2mo ago
OTOH, fighting bigotry is something we should never leave behind.
- tolerance 2mo ago
  If this comment is at all relevant to the post under discussion then we should all be championing OpenBSD as the premier Anti-Racist® OS of our time.
tolerance 2mo ago
People need to read "Blogging, the Nihilist Impulse" by Geert Lovink (2007) https://www.eurozine.com/blogging-the-nihilist-impulse/ https://www.eurozine.com/blogging-the-nihilist-impulse/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240925180238/http://www.intelligentagent.com/MSI/Lovink_blogging.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20240925180238/http://www.intell...

This tumblr level of discourse is precisely what the Linux community needs to leave behind.

pessimizer 2mo ago

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cr3ative 2mo ago
What would you characterise the two linked security reports as, if not holes?
- Cakez0r 2mo ago
  The two links are the same same bug. Hardly "full of security holes"
  - deleted 2mo ago
    [deleted]
- pessimizer 2mo ago
  I would characterize them as "links." As opposed to a discussion of security holes.
  - cr3ative 2mo ago
    I think I would argue that linking to the security problem(s) and then writing about their style and how they probably came to be counts as discussion, but to each their own.
    - pessimizer 2mo ago
      I didn't know security holes had a "style." I suppose their style is "literal Nazi" judging by this thread.
      - cr3ative 2mo ago
        The blog mentions AI and untrusted input sanitisation. Hope your day gets better.
phendrenad2 2mo ago
> doesn't talk about security holes at all Literally the first sentence in the post has links to two security holes lol
- pessimizer 2mo ago
  That's not talking about security holes, that's linking to talk about security holes lol
eesmith 2mo ago
The HN submission link is incorrectly titled. The blog is titled "Merchants of Insecurity". The word "hole" does not exist anywhere on the page, the HTML, or the HTTP headers. Yesterday's submission used the correct title: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49433378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49433378
mexicocitinluez 2mo ago
> A bunch of terminally online people have decided to make stalking DHH into a personality/lifestyle aka A person should be able to espouse xenophobic and bigoted remarks without worrying about being criticized for it. "But won't someone think of the tech bro who incessantly talks out of his ass and punches down!!!!!"
- soupbowl 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - mexicocitinluez 2mo ago
    I have no clue what "shut the internet down" is supposed to mean. How come it's never righteous when the trillionaire or Ruby guy spilled thousands of words a day on social media about immigrants but calling it out is?
- rbanffy 2mo ago
  > aka A person should be able to espouse xenophobic and bigoted remarks without worrying about being criticized for it. People on the political right keep confusing freedom to say whatever you think with saying whatever you think with not having to deal with the consequences of speaking whatever you think. DHH is free to blog about his racist beliefs and we are free to call him a racist.
gilrain 2mo ago
> decided to make stalking DHH into a personality/lifestyle > When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. An intellectually honest guy like you is probably so furious that DHH makes a personality out of stalking entire peoples. Pathetic++, right? :^:
HumansEatHumans 2mo ago
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cyanydeez 2mo ago

Isn't the rise of AI basically turning software engineering into tumblr? Thats what I see; soon we'll have a forum that's just filled with roblox-but-for-adults.

dgellow 2mo ago
Seems to be the “dream” the AI leaders want to sell at least

preommr 2mo ago

People have taken 'everything is political' to mean 'politics must be discussed for everything'. I am old enough that I've been burned by both sides of the political aisle, often using the same rhetoric (think of the children, we're fighting for freedom, we're fighting against fascism, no true scoctsman, etc.) Maybe the day will come when we really will have to pick sides beyond the elections, like it's WWII, but that day isn't today. I just want to be left alone, away from political camps and the ugliness they tolerate because of they're fighting against the greater good. I just want my tech to focused on the tech.

rbanffy 2mo ago
> both sides of the political aisle There is a false equivalence happening. In this case, both sides are the people who just want to exist without being attacked for being themselves and the people who say they are wolves and that wolves need to be shot to protect the sheep. I want people like DHH and his supporters out of the tech I use. I don't trust them, nor do I trust their judgment.
- bigbadfeline 2mo ago
  >> OTOH, fighting bigotry is something we should never leave behind. > [we] just want to exist without being attacked for being themselves and [they say we're] wolves who need to be shot to protect the sheep. Weird, you're the author of both of the above quotes but "just wanting to exist" is very different from "a never ending war on bigotry". It's either one or the other, can't be both because war begets war.

rbanffy 2mo ago

OTOH, fighting bigotry is something we should never leave behind.

tolerance 2mo ago
If this comment is at all relevant to the post under discussion then we should all be championing OpenBSD as the premier Anti-Racist® OS of our time.

tolerance 2mo ago

People need to read "Blogging, the Nihilist Impulse" by Geert Lovink (2007) https://www.eurozine.com/blogging-the-nihilist-impulse/ https://www.eurozine.com/blogging-the-nihilist-impulse/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240925180238/http://www.intelligentagent.com/MSI/Lovink_blogging.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20240925180238/http://www.intell...