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People don't seem to know about bluesky, the fediverse and the indie web enough.

whatthesmack 2mo ago
Some people avoid those because they tend to consist entirely of people that support banning non-approved ideas that the real world considers non-controversial. That's why X hasn't disappeared like some of the HN crowd predicted.
- mullingitover 2mo ago
  I thought HN predicted it would fold due to mismanagement, and arguably it would've if it hadn't been delayed by being rolled into the larger Katamari ball of securities fraud that is SpaceTeslaXAI. And while it hasn't disappeared, it's losing ground to Pinterest.
  - account42 2mo ago
    > And while it hasn't disappeared, it's losing ground to Pinterest. Is it? I haven't seen a Pinterest link in a while so I guess it depends on what bubble you're in.
    - mullingitover 2mo ago
      If you're not hanging out with a lot of Gen Z women it would explain why it's not on your radar, that's their key demo and they're on a very solid growth trajectory[1]. It's no secret, meanwhile, that twitter has seen steady declines both in daily active users as well as plummeting engagement levels from those that haven't left yet. [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/pins-gains-21-7-3-173600029.html https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/pins-gains...
- jolmg 2mo ago
  > consist entirely of people that support banning non-approved ideas that the real world considers non-controversial What's an example?
  - BizarreByte 2mo ago
    Given the fact the comment you replied to is flagged and dead? Apparently even mentioning that some ideas online may not have widespread support offline.
- hardbass 2mo ago
  Who or what is fediverse? How do you think it works?
  - alightsoul 2mo ago
    It's a network of social media sites aka servers that are independently run, and have no algorithm so posts are in chronological order usually. There's several types of sites, each replacing one conventional alternative like mastodon for x/Twitter and Lemmy for reddit. It works because the sites belonging to one type can all see the content of other sites of the same type. To the user, each individual site is as convenient as a conventional social media site such as x/twitter. It aims to combine the advantages of decentralization such as independence, with the advantages of centralization such as a large amount of content One roadblock is marketing, because the first thing the fediverse sites like mastodon or Lemmy try to do when you search for them on Google is get you into a server. That sounds too technical and is not how the average person uses social media at all. Bluesky fixes this and has an entirely new idea for how the fediverse works. One downside to the concept of servers is that besides feeling fragmented to the average user compared to bluesky or Instagram, most tend to cater to a specific audience so they filter content for you. It's not like bluesky or Instagram where the user does it entirely from scratch by following accounts (which Instagram ignores anyways)
    - hardbass 2mo ago
      I know what this is, I was seeing if whatthesmack understands the concept. He clearly has some deep confusions where he lists Fediverse as among the list of services that are block happy. It does not conceptually make sense to call Fediverse as being block happy anymore than saying http or ssl is block happy.
    - account42 2mo ago
      > It works because the sites belonging to one type can all see the content of other sites of the same type. That's how it should work but its not how it works in practice because some admin can't stand the idea of opinions contrary to their own existing on the same network. So they deferedate from instances they don't like as well as those instances that don't do the same.
- saulapremium 2mo ago
  >they tend to consist entirely of people that support banning non-approved ..meanwhile, X is owned by such a person.
- rc_mob 2mo ago
  Elon censors people all the time
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account42 2mo ago
Public institutions shouldn't be posting on bsky.app or mastodon.social either. The primary source of public communications should be fully hosted on public infrastructure and only then syndicated and/or federated elsewhere.
- wyclif 2mo ago
  This is one of the reasons why open protocols (like email, http, irc, &c) are so important.
- alightsoul 2mo ago
  I agree with the sentiment, but nowadays people don't even know that is even possible, or they just decide it's not worth it because it doesn't get a lot of views, or they think hiring someone technical to manage it is expensive so they just have the secretary of the day do it and that person is very often not technical at all so they only know how to post it on social media

Some people avoid those because they tend to consist entirely of people that support banning non-approved ideas that the real world considers non-controversial. That's why X hasn't disappeared like some of the HN crowd predicted.

mullingitover 2mo ago
I thought HN predicted it would fold due to mismanagement, and arguably it would've if it hadn't been delayed by being rolled into the larger Katamari ball of securities fraud that is SpaceTeslaXAI. And while it hasn't disappeared, it's losing ground to Pinterest.
- account42 2mo ago
  > And while it hasn't disappeared, it's losing ground to Pinterest. Is it? I haven't seen a Pinterest link in a while so I guess it depends on what bubble you're in.
  - mullingitover 2mo ago
    If you're not hanging out with a lot of Gen Z women it would explain why it's not on your radar, that's their key demo and they're on a very solid growth trajectory[1]. It's no secret, meanwhile, that twitter has seen steady declines both in daily active users as well as plummeting engagement levels from those that haven't left yet. [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/pins-gains-21-7-3-173600029.html https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/pins-gains...
jolmg 2mo ago
> consist entirely of people that support banning non-approved ideas that the real world considers non-controversial What's an example?
- BizarreByte 2mo ago
  Given the fact the comment you replied to is flagged and dead? Apparently even mentioning that some ideas online may not have widespread support offline.
hardbass 2mo ago
Who or what is fediverse? How do you think it works?
- alightsoul 2mo ago
  It's a network of social media sites aka servers that are independently run, and have no algorithm so posts are in chronological order usually. There's several types of sites, each replacing one conventional alternative like mastodon for x/Twitter and Lemmy for reddit. It works because the sites belonging to one type can all see the content of other sites of the same type. To the user, each individual site is as convenient as a conventional social media site such as x/twitter. It aims to combine the advantages of decentralization such as independence, with the advantages of centralization such as a large amount of content One roadblock is marketing, because the first thing the fediverse sites like mastodon or Lemmy try to do when you search for them on Google is get you into a server. That sounds too technical and is not how the average person uses social media at all. Bluesky fixes this and has an entirely new idea for how the fediverse works. One downside to the concept of servers is that besides feeling fragmented to the average user compared to bluesky or Instagram, most tend to cater to a specific audience so they filter content for you. It's not like bluesky or Instagram where the user does it entirely from scratch by following accounts (which Instagram ignores anyways)
  - hardbass 2mo ago
    I know what this is, I was seeing if whatthesmack understands the concept. He clearly has some deep confusions where he lists Fediverse as among the list of services that are block happy. It does not conceptually make sense to call Fediverse as being block happy anymore than saying http or ssl is block happy.
  - account42 2mo ago
    > It works because the sites belonging to one type can all see the content of other sites of the same type. That's how it should work but its not how it works in practice because some admin can't stand the idea of opinions contrary to their own existing on the same network. So they deferedate from instances they don't like as well as those instances that don't do the same.
saulapremium 2mo ago
>they tend to consist entirely of people that support banning non-approved ..meanwhile, X is owned by such a person.
rc_mob 2mo ago
Elon censors people all the time

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account42 2mo ago

Public institutions shouldn't be posting on bsky.app or mastodon.social either. The primary source of public communications should be fully hosted on public infrastructure and only then syndicated and/or federated elsewhere.

wyclif 2mo ago
This is one of the reasons why open protocols (like email, http, irc, &c) are so important.
alightsoul 2mo ago
I agree with the sentiment, but nowadays people don't even know that is even possible, or they just decide it's not worth it because it doesn't get a lot of views, or they think hiring someone technical to manage it is expensive so they just have the secretary of the day do it and that person is very often not technical at all so they only know how to post it on social media