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> No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. I don't th

> No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." Lots of people do understand that bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage has in many ways actually helped and emboldened the Iranian regime. This wasn't just "unfortunate" and "ill-conceived". It was stupid and arguably criminal.

newspaper1 2mo ago
> I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." I'd consider them allies at least given that all of the bad guys hate Iran with a burning passion. Iran is also the only major country on earth that have actually stood up to Israel and helped defend Palestinians.
- applicative 2mo ago
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  - newspaper1 2mo ago
    > It stood up for Palestinians by what? Iran is the only country that has retaliated against Israel. They literally bombed Tel Aviv and multiple other targets in Israel. They also support Hezbollah (also fighting Zionism and defending Palestinians). > Annexing Lebanon? The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists.
    - applicative 2mo ago
      > The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists. wtf is a zionist and when did they annex lebanon? The Assads actually presupposed annexation of Lebanon, or just denied the partition, during their occupations. Their opinion about Palestine was the same: its' the Levant, it's Syria, its capital is Damascus; there is no distinct Palestinian or Lebanese people we are all Syrian Arabs, Levantine Arabs. (The theory has a lot to be said for it of course but isnt what happened alas) Bashar, that great critic of 'zionism', whatever tf that noise means, only admitted Lebanon was real not long before he finally conceded Palestine was real, 2008 & 11 . Khamenei-Soleimani began mechanized slaughter of Syrian children a few weeks after Palestine was recognized, as the uprising developed and the recalcitrant Arabs had to be euthanized en masse. It was part of the geopolitical procedure. Palestine was as usual the pretext for gassing everyone. if the jews hadn't existed it would have been necessary for khamenei to invent them.
      - newspaper1 2mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon_(2026) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern...
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applicative 2mo ago
These are all things Ukraine does, "bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran[Russia] to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage". It is extremely tiresome to hear such a litany without a wider analysis. In its mad program to retain control of ... Syria, of all places ... Iran killed and incinerated and dissolved in acid more people than any of this idiocy will ever add up to.
- newspaper1 2mo ago
  Iran, like the Ukraine was attacked first. That being said Iran is waging a more moral war than Ukraine in my opinion.
  - cindyllm 2mo ago
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- ElProlactin 2mo ago
  You'll have to point me to the place where I made any comment about or expressed any opinion on Ukraine. But since you raise the point: I am against any attacks on civilian infrastructure. They are an affront to humanity. Russia's attack on Ukraine was, I believe, a crime but one crime doesn't justify others. Modern warfare will be the end of us and anyone cheering death and destruction, even when it occurs as a result of acts of defense, has lost the plot.
- atmavatar 2mo ago
  Ukraine has been fighting for its right to continue existing for several years against an aggressor (i.e., Russia), who, from day one, attacked their civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia shows no signs of giving up after all this time, so I'm not sure I can fault the logic of any Ukranian strategist who concluded they needed to respond in kind in the hopes it might make the war less popular to the Russian population. If one side in a conflict is ignoring the rules, especially if it's the aggressor/occupying force, you cannot expect the other side to continue following them. The moral high ground is a luxury affordable only when you're the overwhelmingly superior force.
dundarious 2mo ago
And it was known in advance: https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming

newspaper1 2mo ago

> I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." I'd consider them allies at least given that all of the bad guys hate Iran with a burning passion. Iran is also the only major country on earth that have actually stood up to Israel and helped defend Palestinians.

applicative 2mo ago
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- newspaper1 2mo ago
  > It stood up for Palestinians by what? Iran is the only country that has retaliated against Israel. They literally bombed Tel Aviv and multiple other targets in Israel. They also support Hezbollah (also fighting Zionism and defending Palestinians). > Annexing Lebanon? The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists.
  - applicative 2mo ago
    > The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists. wtf is a zionist and when did they annex lebanon? The Assads actually presupposed annexation of Lebanon, or just denied the partition, during their occupations. Their opinion about Palestine was the same: its' the Levant, it's Syria, its capital is Damascus; there is no distinct Palestinian or Lebanese people we are all Syrian Arabs, Levantine Arabs. (The theory has a lot to be said for it of course but isnt what happened alas) Bashar, that great critic of 'zionism', whatever tf that noise means, only admitted Lebanon was real not long before he finally conceded Palestine was real, 2008 & 11 . Khamenei-Soleimani began mechanized slaughter of Syrian children a few weeks after Palestine was recognized, as the uprising developed and the recalcitrant Arabs had to be euthanized en masse. It was part of the geopolitical procedure. Palestine was as usual the pretext for gassing everyone. if the jews hadn't existed it would have been necessary for khamenei to invent them.
    - newspaper1 2mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon_(2026) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern...
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applicative 2mo ago

These are all things Ukraine does, "bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran[Russia] to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage". It is extremely tiresome to hear such a litany without a wider analysis. In its mad program to retain control of ... Syria, of all places ... Iran killed and incinerated and dissolved in acid more people than any of this idiocy will ever add up to.

newspaper1 2mo ago
Iran, like the Ukraine was attacked first. That being said Iran is waging a more moral war than Ukraine in my opinion.
- cindyllm 2mo ago
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ElProlactin 2mo ago
You'll have to point me to the place where I made any comment about or expressed any opinion on Ukraine. But since you raise the point: I am against any attacks on civilian infrastructure. They are an affront to humanity. Russia's attack on Ukraine was, I believe, a crime but one crime doesn't justify others. Modern warfare will be the end of us and anyone cheering death and destruction, even when it occurs as a result of acts of defense, has lost the plot.
atmavatar 2mo ago
Ukraine has been fighting for its right to continue existing for several years against an aggressor (i.e., Russia), who, from day one, attacked their civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia shows no signs of giving up after all this time, so I'm not sure I can fault the logic of any Ukranian strategist who concluded they needed to respond in kind in the hopes it might make the war less popular to the Russian population. If one side in a conflict is ignoring the rules, especially if it's the aggressor/occupying force, you cannot expect the other side to continue following them. The moral high ground is a luxury affordable only when you're the overwhelmingly superior force.

dundarious 2mo ago

And it was known in advance: https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming