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No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. This is an un

by gcanyon 1mo ago

No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. This is an unfortunate, ill-conceived war, but that doesn't clean Iran's hands.

FpUser 1mo ago
>"This is an unfortunate, ill-conceived war" - yeah, like we went in and killed some people. Oopsy but that's ok cause we're the good guys. Your logic stinks disregarding how bad the other side is.
ElProlactin 1mo ago
> No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." Lots of people do understand that bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage has in many ways actually helped and emboldened the Iranian regime. This wasn't just "unfortunate" and "ill-conceived". It was stupid and arguably criminal.
- newspaper1 1mo ago
  > I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." I'd consider them allies at least given that all of the bad guys hate Iran with a burning passion. Iran is also the only major country on earth that have actually stood up to Israel and helped defend Palestinians.
  - applicative 1mo ago
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    - newspaper1 1mo ago
      > It stood up for Palestinians by what? Iran is the only country that has retaliated against Israel. They literally bombed Tel Aviv and multiple other targets in Israel. They also support Hezbollah (also fighting Zionism and defending Palestinians). > Annexing Lebanon? The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists.
      - applicative 1mo ago
        > The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists. wtf is a zionist and when did they annex lebanon? The Assads actually presupposed annexation of Lebanon, or just denied the partition, during their occupations. Their opinion about Palestine was the same: its' the Levant, it's Syria, its capital is Damascus; there is no distinct Palestinian or Lebanese people we are all Syrian Arabs, Levantine Arabs. (The theory has a lot to be said for it of course but isnt what happened alas) Bashar, that great critic of 'zionism', whatever tf that noise means, only admitted Lebanon was real not long before he finally conceded Palestine was real, 2008 & 11 . Khamenei-Soleimani began mechanized slaughter of Syrian children a few weeks after Palestine was recognized, as the uprising developed and the recalcitrant Arabs had to be euthanized en masse. It was part of the geopolitical procedure. Palestine was as usual the pretext for gassing everyone. if the jews hadn't existed it would have been necessary for khamenei to invent them.
        newspaper1 1mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon_(2026) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern...
        deleted 1mo ago
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- applicative 1mo ago
  These are all things Ukraine does, "bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran[Russia] to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage". It is extremely tiresome to hear such a litany without a wider analysis. In its mad program to retain control of ... Syria, of all places ... Iran killed and incinerated and dissolved in acid more people than any of this idiocy will ever add up to.
  - newspaper1 1mo ago
    Iran, like the Ukraine was attacked first. That being said Iran is waging a more moral war than Ukraine in my opinion.
    - cindyllm 1mo ago
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  - ElProlactin 1mo ago
    You'll have to point me to the place where I made any comment about or expressed any opinion on Ukraine. But since you raise the point: I am against any attacks on civilian infrastructure. They are an affront to humanity. Russia's attack on Ukraine was, I believe, a crime but one crime doesn't justify others. Modern warfare will be the end of us and anyone cheering death and destruction, even when it occurs as a result of acts of defense, has lost the plot.
  - atmavatar 1mo ago
    Ukraine has been fighting for its right to continue existing for several years against an aggressor (i.e., Russia), who, from day one, attacked their civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia shows no signs of giving up after all this time, so I'm not sure I can fault the logic of any Ukranian strategist who concluded they needed to respond in kind in the hopes it might make the war less popular to the Russian population. If one side in a conflict is ignoring the rules, especially if it's the aggressor/occupying force, you cannot expect the other side to continue following them. The moral high ground is a luxury affordable only when you're the overwhelmingly superior force.
- dundarious 1mo ago
  And it was known in advance: https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming
newspaper1 1mo ago
Well then you're doing the work of the same people that killed an entire school of little girls in an unprovoked attack. Nothing Iran has done comes close to what the Zionists have done in Iran and many other countries.
cyanydeez 1mo ago
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- spwa4 1mo ago
  The moral difference here is, of course, that one side has institutionalized child-rape for religious reasons and has imams play pimps for thousands of children forced into prostitution to get raped. The other side has a bunch of criminals that sometimes succeed in rape and the most famous of whom is now dead rather than confess. Both are bad. One is a disgusting large-scale moral failing in the religion they follow and will continue without limit, the other is a mistake that was ended by the authorities. One is infinitely worse than other.
  - owebmaster 1mo ago
    > The other side has a bunch of criminals that sometimes succeed in rape and the most famous of whom is now dead rather than confess Isn't the best friend of the dead one the most famous now?
  - cyanydeez 1mo ago
    Is it better if the rules are written in ink or money?
    - spwa4 1mo ago
      If written in ink it happens on massive scale. If written in money it happens almost never. For obvious reasons. Judge for yourself.
pazimzadeh 1mo ago
Iran may be the originators of good/evil duality but that doesn't mean we should follow their lead. Anyway Iran are good enough when we want, we fought alongside them in Afghanistan after 9/11 and against ISIS. Their oil was good enough to (let BP) take 80% of it for 30 years.
King-Aaron 1mo ago
Iran are the bad guys. Israel are the worse guys.
selivanovp 1mo ago
You have been fooling yourself for decades that you're the good guys. But you're not. No amount of mental gymnastics can help at this point to justify all the evil things USA does around the globe because of greed and lust for dominance.
- allexander 1mo ago
  I do need to agree with you.
  - selivanovp 1mo ago
    Iranian regime are not the good guys either, but they're the product of what regimes in UK and USA was doing to the country for decades, because of their oil.
    - allexander 1mo ago
      Exactly.
whoareyouthen 1mo ago
You destroyed their country on a basis of Israel's messianic ambitions and your voracious capitalists infinite greed. This is the truth. And now you are blabbering about "good/bad guys".. You are just totally nuts, and your place is on the same bench where nazi officials sat after 1945.

by gcanyon 1mo ago

FpUser 1mo ago

>"This is an unfortunate, ill-conceived war" - yeah, like we went in and killed some people. Oopsy but that's ok cause we're the good guys. Your logic stinks disregarding how bad the other side is.

ElProlactin 1mo ago

> No matter how absurd the situation becomes, no matter how engaging the videos are, we should never be fooled into thinking Iran are the good guys. I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." Lots of people do understand that bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage has in many ways actually helped and emboldened the Iranian regime. This wasn't just "unfortunate" and "ill-conceived". It was stupid and arguably criminal.

newspaper1 1mo ago
> I don't think there are many people who believe "Iran are the good guys." I'd consider them allies at least given that all of the bad guys hate Iran with a burning passion. Iran is also the only major country on earth that have actually stood up to Israel and helped defend Palestinians.
- applicative 1mo ago
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  - newspaper1 1mo ago
    > It stood up for Palestinians by what? Iran is the only country that has retaliated against Israel. They literally bombed Tel Aviv and multiple other targets in Israel. They also support Hezbollah (also fighting Zionism and defending Palestinians). > Annexing Lebanon? The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists.
    - applicative 1mo ago
      > The only people annexing Lebanon are the Zionists. wtf is a zionist and when did they annex lebanon? The Assads actually presupposed annexation of Lebanon, or just denied the partition, during their occupations. Their opinion about Palestine was the same: its' the Levant, it's Syria, its capital is Damascus; there is no distinct Palestinian or Lebanese people we are all Syrian Arabs, Levantine Arabs. (The theory has a lot to be said for it of course but isnt what happened alas) Bashar, that great critic of 'zionism', whatever tf that noise means, only admitted Lebanon was real not long before he finally conceded Palestine was real, 2008 & 11 . Khamenei-Soleimani began mechanized slaughter of Syrian children a few weeks after Palestine was recognized, as the uprising developed and the recalcitrant Arabs had to be euthanized en masse. It was part of the geopolitical procedure. Palestine was as usual the pretext for gassing everyone. if the jews hadn't existed it would have been necessary for khamenei to invent them.
      - newspaper1 1mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon_(2026) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern...
        deleted 1mo ago
        [deleted]
applicative 1mo ago
These are all things Ukraine does, "bombing civilian infrastructure, killing innocent civilians, and taking actions that were inevitably going to lead Iran[Russia] to respond with the goal of inflicting widespread economic damage". It is extremely tiresome to hear such a litany without a wider analysis. In its mad program to retain control of ... Syria, of all places ... Iran killed and incinerated and dissolved in acid more people than any of this idiocy will ever add up to.
- newspaper1 1mo ago
  Iran, like the Ukraine was attacked first. That being said Iran is waging a more moral war than Ukraine in my opinion.
  - cindyllm 1mo ago
    [dead]
- ElProlactin 1mo ago
  You'll have to point me to the place where I made any comment about or expressed any opinion on Ukraine. But since you raise the point: I am against any attacks on civilian infrastructure. They are an affront to humanity. Russia's attack on Ukraine was, I believe, a crime but one crime doesn't justify others. Modern warfare will be the end of us and anyone cheering death and destruction, even when it occurs as a result of acts of defense, has lost the plot.
- atmavatar 1mo ago
  Ukraine has been fighting for its right to continue existing for several years against an aggressor (i.e., Russia), who, from day one, attacked their civilians and civilian infrastructure. Russia shows no signs of giving up after all this time, so I'm not sure I can fault the logic of any Ukranian strategist who concluded they needed to respond in kind in the hopes it might make the war less popular to the Russian population. If one side in a conflict is ignoring the rules, especially if it's the aggressor/occupying force, you cannot expect the other side to continue following them. The moral high ground is a luxury affordable only when you're the overwhelmingly superior force.
dundarious 1mo ago
And it was known in advance: https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming https://www.amerikanets.com/p/they-saw-it-coming

newspaper1 1mo ago

Well then you're doing the work of the same people that killed an entire school of little girls in an unprovoked attack. Nothing Iran has done comes close to what the Zionists have done in Iran and many other countries.

cyanydeez 1mo ago

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spwa4 1mo ago
The moral difference here is, of course, that one side has institutionalized child-rape for religious reasons and has imams play pimps for thousands of children forced into prostitution to get raped. The other side has a bunch of criminals that sometimes succeed in rape and the most famous of whom is now dead rather than confess. Both are bad. One is a disgusting large-scale moral failing in the religion they follow and will continue without limit, the other is a mistake that was ended by the authorities. One is infinitely worse than other.
- owebmaster 1mo ago
  > The other side has a bunch of criminals that sometimes succeed in rape and the most famous of whom is now dead rather than confess Isn't the best friend of the dead one the most famous now?
- cyanydeez 1mo ago
  Is it better if the rules are written in ink or money?
  - spwa4 1mo ago
    If written in ink it happens on massive scale. If written in money it happens almost never. For obvious reasons. Judge for yourself.

pazimzadeh 1mo ago

Iran may be the originators of good/evil duality but that doesn't mean we should follow their lead. Anyway Iran are good enough when we want, we fought alongside them in Afghanistan after 9/11 and against ISIS. Their oil was good enough to (let BP) take 80% of it for 30 years.

King-Aaron 1mo ago

Iran are the bad guys. Israel are the worse guys.

selivanovp 1mo ago

You have been fooling yourself for decades that you're the good guys. But you're not. No amount of mental gymnastics can help at this point to justify all the evil things USA does around the globe because of greed and lust for dominance.

allexander 1mo ago
I do need to agree with you.
- selivanovp 1mo ago
  Iranian regime are not the good guys either, but they're the product of what regimes in UK and USA was doing to the country for decades, because of their oil.
  - allexander 1mo ago
    Exactly.

whoareyouthen 1mo ago

You destroyed their country on a basis of Israel's messianic ambitions and your voracious capitalists infinite greed. This is the truth. And now you are blabbering about "good/bad guys".. You are just totally nuts, and your place is on the same bench where nazi officials sat after 1945.