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The EU is not "most at risk" compared to eg south Asia, the middle east, parts of Africa, etc; and this idea that AMOC collapse will turn Europe into a glacier
by sva_ 1mo ago
The EU is not "most at risk" compared to eg south Asia, the middle east, parts of Africa, etc; and this idea that AMOC collapse will turn Europe into a glacier is a blatant exaggeration that does not root itself in reality.
- consumer451 1mo agoAs someone in Central EU farm land, who is currently experiencing desertification... We are actually in the worst place, given realtive population density. My well is drying up. The Danube and many other rivers are drying up. Then, when the AMOC stops, and we join Canadian weather with English-level insulation... we are all truly fucked in winter. At scale in the mid-term, only Sri Lanka is going to get as screwed as EU citizens, but the EU will get fucked even sooner. Given population numbers, it appears that the EU is totally screwed when it comes to climate change. Our geopolitical enemies are well aware of this fact. There are still things we can do, like insulation, and using our fierce financial pressures to change the world. We just need to wake tf up.
- tpm 1mo agoNo we are not in the worst place given relative population density. Look at South & Southeast Asia very carefully - there are countries like Bangladesh with pop. of 177 million in an area of double the Czech Republic (pop. 10 million). They have it much worse than us. > we join Canadian weather with English-level insulation Having lived both in England and here in Slovakia, we are much much better equipped to survive long spells with -10 with occasional dips far below that in lowlands (and obviously our mountainous regions are even better equipped). What we can't deal with yet is the heat and drought like this summer. > using our fierce financial pressures to change the world We are already doing that using for example CBAM. We just have to continue.
- sph 1mo agoWhat’s population density got to do with worsening climate?
- tpm 1mo agoThe parent wrote: "We are actually in the worst place, given realtive population density.". So I reacted to that. The climate change impact is worse in South Asia AND their population density is much higher. It means many more people are and will be impacted by it there than here in Central Europe.
- DoctorOetker 1mo agohumans are dangerous when they get hungry / thirsty / angry / disillusioned
- marcyb5st 1mo agoBut if the AMOC collapses the drought you talk about will become the a year round problem. Climate models predict a drop in rainfall between 20 and 50% depending on the region. So agriculture will be fucked. And the US will be hit by super hurricanes since all the moisture/hot water will linger there supercharging them.
- tpm 1mo agoThe rainfall deficit and soil dryness is already a year-round problem in our region, this summer is just a very extreme version of that. I am reasonably sure it will get worse even without the potential AMOC collapse.
- modo_mario 1mo ago>Then, when the AMOC stops, and we join Canadian weather West canadian weather which is in itself more moderate. The amoc is not the only moderating effect that makes europes climate possible. It'll still suck tho.
- reeredfdfdf 1mo agoEU is rich, insulation problem can be handled, especially if we build enough green energy to bring down electricity prices, which makes even poorly insulated houses livable. I live in a Nordic country, and people have survived here for since nearly 10 000 years ago, soon after first ice age ended. If they could do it without any modern tech, Germans, French and the others will be okay. I'm way more worried about food production.
- pfisch 1mo agoOf the major powers the eu is probably the most at risk. No one else is going to save them and they should be acting to save themselves right now.
- mistermann 1mo ago[dead]
- KellyCriterion 1mo agowrong: EU is the region with the highest acceleration of most climate parameters
- tpm 1mo agoFastest acceleration, possibly, yes. But if another region's climate is for example already close to deadly wet bulb temperature during a large part of the year and only a small change puts them over the threshold, then that regions is more at risk than the EU.
- sva_ 1mo agoI'd say the EU is the region with the highest acceleration of climate scientists, hence they find "the highest acceleration of most climate parameters".