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> _really_ depends on where you are That kinda applies to anywhere in the world. On the average, I've seen much cleaner toilets in first-tier China cities than

by qurren 1mo ago

> _really_ depends on where you are That kinda applies to anywhere in the world. On the average, I've seen much cleaner toilets in first-tier China cities than first-tier US cities. And much more accessible as well. Free public toilets literally everywhere. All over the city, in every shopping center, in every coffee shop. And you don't need to buy a coffee and trash it to use them.

ux266478 1mo ago
> I've seen much cleaner toilets in first-tier China cities than first-tier US cities. That definitely tracks. LA has a massive unhoused person issue, many of whom with severe mental disorders. You feel a lot that in the commons, especially as you get near DTLA. New York is shabby and dirty in general. More so than a big city usually is. And it's not really a charming shabbiness from an extreme subtropical climate as you get in Taiwan. The relationship China has with its tier 1 cities is more similar to other Asian countries, like Japan and Korea, than it is to the US.
boelboel 1mo ago
Chinese first tier cities aren't accessible, you can't even live there as a country bumpkin.
- vehemenz 1mo ago
  The hukou reforms in May were a good first step, but for now, you're right.
- qurren 1mo ago
  There are multiple forms of "accessible". For someone impaired and unable to drive, the Chinese cities win hands-down because transportation is a non-issue.
vehemenz 1mo ago
Small nitpicky correction, but in China, city tiers are designated by policy and generally correlate to the quality of life for the middle class there. The US doesn't have a tier system. If it did, it wouldn't make much sense because the quality of life in American suburbs and exurbs is generally better than the most developed cities (unless you're rich, of course). Free, clean toilets are everywhere in America, just not in the dense city centers (walkable, transit-oriented, mid-rise or higher) that people tend to visit on vacation. I'd estimate only 10-15% of Americans live in these city centers, whereas in China it's probably closer to 50%. With the raw numbers, this difference shouldn't be underestimated.
- qurren 1mo ago
  > not in the dense city centers aka exactly the place people need them regardless of which country In the boonies it's much more acceptable to go in the bush in either country as well
  - ajmurmann 1mo ago
    As much as a dislike the suburbs, they aren't "the boonies" and it won't be acceptable at all to go in the bush there.
    - throw-the-towel 1mo ago
      Unfun fact: in Bogotá, it seems to be quite acceptable to piss in the bush everywhere, even in the centro histórico.
- Aethelwulf 1mo ago
  > in China, city tiers are designated by policy and generally correlate to the quality of life for the middle class there What are you basing this on? China does not have a "tier" system for its cities, and certainly not one based on "the quality of life for the middle class there".

by qurren 1mo ago

ux266478 1mo ago

> I've seen much cleaner toilets in first-tier China cities than first-tier US cities. That definitely tracks. LA has a massive unhoused person issue, many of whom with severe mental disorders. You feel a lot that in the commons, especially as you get near DTLA. New York is shabby and dirty in general. More so than a big city usually is. And it's not really a charming shabbiness from an extreme subtropical climate as you get in Taiwan. The relationship China has with its tier 1 cities is more similar to other Asian countries, like Japan and Korea, than it is to the US.

boelboel 1mo ago

Chinese first tier cities aren't accessible, you can't even live there as a country bumpkin.

vehemenz 1mo ago
The hukou reforms in May were a good first step, but for now, you're right.
qurren 1mo ago
There are multiple forms of "accessible". For someone impaired and unable to drive, the Chinese cities win hands-down because transportation is a non-issue.

vehemenz 1mo ago

Small nitpicky correction, but in China, city tiers are designated by policy and generally correlate to the quality of life for the middle class there. The US doesn't have a tier system. If it did, it wouldn't make much sense because the quality of life in American suburbs and exurbs is generally better than the most developed cities (unless you're rich, of course). Free, clean toilets are everywhere in America, just not in the dense city centers (walkable, transit-oriented, mid-rise or higher) that people tend to visit on vacation. I'd estimate only 10-15% of Americans live in these city centers, whereas in China it's probably closer to 50%. With the raw numbers, this difference shouldn't be underestimated.

qurren 1mo ago
> not in the dense city centers aka exactly the place people need them regardless of which country In the boonies it's much more acceptable to go in the bush in either country as well
- ajmurmann 1mo ago
  As much as a dislike the suburbs, they aren't "the boonies" and it won't be acceptable at all to go in the bush there.
  - throw-the-towel 1mo ago
    Unfun fact: in Bogotá, it seems to be quite acceptable to piss in the bush everywhere, even in the centro histórico.
Aethelwulf 1mo ago
> in China, city tiers are designated by policy and generally correlate to the quality of life for the middle class there What are you basing this on? China does not have a "tier" system for its cities, and certainly not one based on "the quality of life for the middle class there".