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I think their point is that paint shouldn’t have any GenAI features (or any new features other than compatibility)

by trickypr 1mo ago

SideQuark 1mo ago
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- qu4z-2 1mo ago
  I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.
  - brudgers 1mo ago
    People used Wordpad and thus other people had trouble opening RTF files.
  - aizk 1mo ago
    Not to mention that notepad had a 7.8 CVE (an RCE) earlier this year -- https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-20841 https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-20841
  - scythe 1mo ago
    >Notepad but with Rich Text formatting TextEdit on Mac uses RTF. Perhaps that's why Windows switched.
  - brian-armstrong 1mo ago
    The people who still use Windows yet complain about this are quite confusing to me. There's been every indication that it will keep going like this for years now, and the cost of switching is just not that high. If you're still riding that train it's time to just embrace it.
    - protocolture 1mo ago
      >The people who still use Windows yet complain about this are quite confusing to me. What confuses me is how people think theres anything close to an alternative for corporate environments. Windows isnt Windows. Windows is the best supported OS by the Microsoft cloud stack. They get away with this sort of nonsense because large corps have nowhere to go. >the cost of switching is just not that high. Lol, lmao even. The cost of switching one laptop to linux is quite low. The cost of taking an enterprise using Microsoft everywhere to linux is something else entirely.
      - flatline 1mo ago
        I’m not sure why you were downvoted. I have to use Windows for work. The barrier to entry is simply lower for many system administrators and users alike. The homogeneity of a Windows rollout is extremely attractive. You are going to have a hard sell getting your accounting team and receptionist onto Linux. Your developers will complain and make do. I love complaining about Windows!
      - skissane 1mo ago
        > They get away with this sort of nonsense because large corps have nowhere to go. I think a lot of large corps could function quite well with a model like: (a) allow employees to choose a MacBook instead; (b) use various macOS enterprise management tools (such as Jamf); (c) use Windows virtual desktops for Windows-only apps The main reason many don’t isn’t because this strategy won’t work - it is because it would cost them significantly more than a Windows-only strategy. So they won’t do it, or they will but limit it to only certain job functions (engineering, executives, sales) where the business benefit is clearer The problem with adding Linux to the mix, is the variability of hardware and distributions can make it a lot more complex to manage, compared to a Windows-only or Windows+Mac fleet. And you also need people in your IT org with the skillset to handle it
        protocolture 1mo ago
        >The main reason many don’t isn’t because this strategy won’t work - it is because it would cost them significantly more than a Windows-only strategy. So they won’t do it, or they will but limit it to only certain job functions (engineering, executives, sales) where the business benefit is clearer Yeah VDI is getting close to universal adoption, but security is always where things come back to. Eventually an end user is going to have something sensitive on their macbook, and they will have fallen through some sort of compliance gap. Its easier from a compliance standpoint to control everything permissible.
  - parl_match 1mo ago
    > it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it. about a third of windows users used wordpad. that's not a small amount the issue, as i see it, is that they took two tools with two different user communities and slammed them together
    - pbhjpbhj 1mo ago
      >about a third of windows users used wordpad. What's your source? I'm curious about use rates of other tools, I didn't know MS published that info.
      - parl_match 1mo ago
        last place i worked at had internal telemetry on end user machines. i dont know the way it was being used, although i suspect it was a document viewer.
- CodeMage 1mo ago
  > Yes, using original paint in 16 colors saved to PCX in 640x480 should be enough for anybody. There's a wide, wide gap between adding features that your users need and adding features that you want to cram down their throats to promote other products that you want them to use. > Or we could let owners of properties add features as they see fit. Or we could let paying users offer legitimate criticism of the products they use, without essentially telling them to shut up.
inigyou 1mo ago
That's just nostalgia. Why do we set the bar at windows XP paint instead of windows 1.01 paint which was different? Probably because winXP paint is the one we grew up with, and also the best version. But if we said no new features ever, we'd be stuck on win1.01 paint. The best version of Paint was a complete UI redesign away from the original.

I think their point is that paint shouldn’t have any GenAI features (or any new features other than compatibility)

SideQuark 1mo ago

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qu4z-2 1mo ago
I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.
- brudgers 1mo ago
  People used Wordpad and thus other people had trouble opening RTF files.
- aizk 1mo ago
  Not to mention that notepad had a 7.8 CVE (an RCE) earlier this year -- https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-20841 https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-20841
- scythe 1mo ago
  >Notepad but with Rich Text formatting TextEdit on Mac uses RTF. Perhaps that's why Windows switched.
- brian-armstrong 1mo ago
  The people who still use Windows yet complain about this are quite confusing to me. There's been every indication that it will keep going like this for years now, and the cost of switching is just not that high. If you're still riding that train it's time to just embrace it.
  - protocolture 1mo ago
    >The people who still use Windows yet complain about this are quite confusing to me. What confuses me is how people think theres anything close to an alternative for corporate environments. Windows isnt Windows. Windows is the best supported OS by the Microsoft cloud stack. They get away with this sort of nonsense because large corps have nowhere to go. >the cost of switching is just not that high. Lol, lmao even. The cost of switching one laptop to linux is quite low. The cost of taking an enterprise using Microsoft everywhere to linux is something else entirely.
    - flatline 1mo ago
      I’m not sure why you were downvoted. I have to use Windows for work. The barrier to entry is simply lower for many system administrators and users alike. The homogeneity of a Windows rollout is extremely attractive. You are going to have a hard sell getting your accounting team and receptionist onto Linux. Your developers will complain and make do. I love complaining about Windows!
    - skissane 1mo ago
      > They get away with this sort of nonsense because large corps have nowhere to go. I think a lot of large corps could function quite well with a model like: (a) allow employees to choose a MacBook instead; (b) use various macOS enterprise management tools (such as Jamf); (c) use Windows virtual desktops for Windows-only apps The main reason many don’t isn’t because this strategy won’t work - it is because it would cost them significantly more than a Windows-only strategy. So they won’t do it, or they will but limit it to only certain job functions (engineering, executives, sales) where the business benefit is clearer The problem with adding Linux to the mix, is the variability of hardware and distributions can make it a lot more complex to manage, compared to a Windows-only or Windows+Mac fleet. And you also need people in your IT org with the skillset to handle it
      - protocolture 1mo ago
        >The main reason many don’t isn’t because this strategy won’t work - it is because it would cost them significantly more than a Windows-only strategy. So they won’t do it, or they will but limit it to only certain job functions (engineering, executives, sales) where the business benefit is clearer Yeah VDI is getting close to universal adoption, but security is always where things come back to. Eventually an end user is going to have something sensitive on their macbook, and they will have fallen through some sort of compliance gap. Its easier from a compliance standpoint to control everything permissible.
- parl_match 1mo ago
  > it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it. about a third of windows users used wordpad. that's not a small amount the issue, as i see it, is that they took two tools with two different user communities and slammed them together
  - pbhjpbhj 1mo ago
    >about a third of windows users used wordpad. What's your source? I'm curious about use rates of other tools, I didn't know MS published that info.
    - parl_match 1mo ago
      last place i worked at had internal telemetry on end user machines. i dont know the way it was being used, although i suspect it was a document viewer.
CodeMage 1mo ago
> Yes, using original paint in 16 colors saved to PCX in 640x480 should be enough for anybody. There's a wide, wide gap between adding features that your users need and adding features that you want to cram down their throats to promote other products that you want them to use. > Or we could let owners of properties add features as they see fit. Or we could let paying users offer legitimate criticism of the products they use, without essentially telling them to shut up.

inigyou 1mo ago

That's just nostalgia. Why do we set the bar at windows XP paint instead of windows 1.01 paint which was different? Probably because winXP paint is the one we grew up with, and also the best version. But if we said no new features ever, we'd be stuck on win1.01 paint. The best version of Paint was a complete UI redesign away from the original.