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AI boosters on this site will be very mad that this person exists, but I'm glad there are people that stick to their principles. Principles that aren't just "pr

by tkel 1mo ago

AI boosters on this site will be very mad that this person exists, but I'm glad there are people that stick to their principles. Principles that aren't just "productivity" or "efficiency". People can and should have other motives that are just as if not more important.

azan_ 1mo ago
Yes, I'm sure AI boosters are in shambles.
- tkel 1mo ago
  If not then why do they get so upset here on every similar thread? Complaining about "anti-AI"
  - Slurpee99 1mo ago
    Strawman for a third time, might as well keep them coming!
  - cobertos 1mo ago
    Perhaps they can't or refuse to consider ethical arguments surrounding it? It's just tech as-is to them, without externalities (which is disingenuous). Feels like a language limitation to me. It is hard to describe succinctly the complexities of AI use that preserve a human element or recognizes externalities. The wording is not immediately obvious and require subtlety that I rarely see in HN, unless it's about the tech itself and it's minutae. Curious to see if HN could have any kind of thoughtful conversation on it but so far I haven't seen one.
  - binary132 1mo ago
    [flagged]
- matsemann 1mo ago
  Yet, here you are, commenting :)
  - azan_ 1mo ago
    In jovial mood, not in shambles though.
    - tkel 1mo ago
      You're still doing the thing where you make defensive comments though, just now pretending it's about something tangential
      - azan_ 1mo ago
        What? I think you must be replying to wrong comment or something.
    - archagon 1mo ago
      """jovial"""
      - azan_ 1mo ago
        ?
- florkbork 1mo ago
  They will be, if they can't find accountability sinks. https://www.commonplace.org/p/reining-in-the-unaccountability-machine https://www.commonplace.org/p/reining-in-the-unaccountabilit... In this case this person was "responsible for getting five- to 12-year-olds to play football in the Hunter region". She would have the occasional exposure to children, market to them, gather statistics and survey them. She asked if she could not expose this group to AI and the answer was "no".
glimshe 1mo ago
There will be plenty of "AI Boosters" lining up to take that job. If you think about it, she did exactly what the "boosters" wanted: get out of the way.
- tavavex 1mo ago
  The AI booster dream is that of job erasure. Even if one 'put AI into everything' fanatic gets her job now, it'll be ultimately meaningless because their ideology is that of permitting our irrelevance as well as ceding jobs and livelihoods to the people who own the profits from AI.
  - glimshe 1mo ago
    Speak for yourself. As an AI enthusiast and senior developer, my dream is to remove the many tedious tasks from the software engineering job. "Irrelevance" is the kind of extrapolation from the skeptics that we've been hearing since the dawn of computing.
    - tavavex 1mo ago
      > my dream is to remove the many tedious tasks from the software engineering job Which doesn't go against what I said, it's just an extremely micro-scale view that ignores everyone else also owning the same tooling. The first consequence of that is everyone's efficiency increasing and regular devs being left to deal with the new tedious parts of troubleshooting AIs, re-railing projects and hours of higher-level debugging. You will not be freed up to do the fun things, you will still work 8 hour days and the efficiency gained will just be a free bonus for your employer. The second consequence is job displacement, once there is enough automation to not require the current number of developers, you will not care about doing a tedious job, but just being able to do any job. > "Irrelevance" is the kind of extrapolation from the skeptics that we've been hearing since the dawn of computing. It is literally what the leaders of the AI movement and the owners of the biggest AI labs are pushing. There has never been a time when businesses flaunted being able to cause such colossal society-wide job losses across many industries before this. This is not fear-mongering, I'm just listening to their promises.

by tkel 1mo ago

azan_ 1mo ago

Yes, I'm sure AI boosters are in shambles.

tkel 1mo ago
If not then why do they get so upset here on every similar thread? Complaining about "anti-AI"
- Slurpee99 1mo ago
  Strawman for a third time, might as well keep them coming!
- cobertos 1mo ago
  Perhaps they can't or refuse to consider ethical arguments surrounding it? It's just tech as-is to them, without externalities (which is disingenuous). Feels like a language limitation to me. It is hard to describe succinctly the complexities of AI use that preserve a human element or recognizes externalities. The wording is not immediately obvious and require subtlety that I rarely see in HN, unless it's about the tech itself and it's minutae. Curious to see if HN could have any kind of thoughtful conversation on it but so far I haven't seen one.
- binary132 1mo ago
  [flagged]
matsemann 1mo ago
Yet, here you are, commenting :)
- azan_ 1mo ago
  In jovial mood, not in shambles though.
  - tkel 1mo ago
    You're still doing the thing where you make defensive comments though, just now pretending it's about something tangential
    - azan_ 1mo ago
      What? I think you must be replying to wrong comment or something.
  - archagon 1mo ago
    """jovial"""
    - azan_ 1mo ago
      ?
florkbork 1mo ago
They will be, if they can't find accountability sinks. https://www.commonplace.org/p/reining-in-the-unaccountability-machine https://www.commonplace.org/p/reining-in-the-unaccountabilit... In this case this person was "responsible for getting five- to 12-year-olds to play football in the Hunter region". She would have the occasional exposure to children, market to them, gather statistics and survey them. She asked if she could not expose this group to AI and the answer was "no".

glimshe 1mo ago

There will be plenty of "AI Boosters" lining up to take that job. If you think about it, she did exactly what the "boosters" wanted: get out of the way.

tavavex 1mo ago
The AI booster dream is that of job erasure. Even if one 'put AI into everything' fanatic gets her job now, it'll be ultimately meaningless because their ideology is that of permitting our irrelevance as well as ceding jobs and livelihoods to the people who own the profits from AI.
- glimshe 1mo ago
  Speak for yourself. As an AI enthusiast and senior developer, my dream is to remove the many tedious tasks from the software engineering job. "Irrelevance" is the kind of extrapolation from the skeptics that we've been hearing since the dawn of computing.
  - tavavex 1mo ago
    > my dream is to remove the many tedious tasks from the software engineering job Which doesn't go against what I said, it's just an extremely micro-scale view that ignores everyone else also owning the same tooling. The first consequence of that is everyone's efficiency increasing and regular devs being left to deal with the new tedious parts of troubleshooting AIs, re-railing projects and hours of higher-level debugging. You will not be freed up to do the fun things, you will still work 8 hour days and the efficiency gained will just be a free bonus for your employer. The second consequence is job displacement, once there is enough automation to not require the current number of developers, you will not care about doing a tedious job, but just being able to do any job. > "Irrelevance" is the kind of extrapolation from the skeptics that we've been hearing since the dawn of computing. It is literally what the leaders of the AI movement and the owners of the biggest AI labs are pushing. There has never been a time when businesses flaunted being able to cause such colossal society-wide job losses across many industries before this. This is not fear-mongering, I'm just listening to their promises.