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> Honestly, if Trump keeps giving intelligence to Ukraine against Russia, then it was worth paying the (idiotic) tariffs. But you already had that - this tarif
by foogazi 1mo ago
> Honestly, if Trump keeps giving intelligence to Ukraine against Russia, then it was worth paying the (idiotic) tariffs.
But you already had that - this tariffs “deal” was just extortion, adding a tax for nothing
- layer8 1mo agoTrump stopped intelligence sharing on Russia with Ukraine in spring last year while tariff negotiations with the EU were ongoing.
- foogazi 1mo agoThat’s what I mean Why did intel sharing stop ? To extract more from the EU: extortion
- layer8 1mo agoCertainly it is. But when the choice is between having the tariffs and Ukraine losing the war, the former is still preferable. Of course it’s not such a simple binary choice, but it is a weighing of options and their likely consequences. In that sense some choices are more worthwhile than others, even when they involve concessions to a bully.
- don_esteban 1mo agoThere is no choice. The Ukraine is bleeding and getting destroyed, day by day. And things are getting worse, by Russian reciprocal responses, for every escalation success Ukraine has achieved. Recent examples: Attack ships in Azov sea -> Odessa ports essentially blocked, attack Russian warehouses -> your warehouses are getting destroyed. What path of victory do you see enabled by US (or EU, for that matter) actions? It is just prolonging the war, by giving the Ukraine (and gullible western audience) an illusion that Ukraine can win it. > In that sense some choices are more worthwhile than others, even when they involve concessions to a bully. So, despite recent Gallup poll showing that majority of Ukrainians are for negotiated end of the conflict a.s.a.p. https://news.gallup.com/poll/711992/ukrainians-sour-washington-views-war-stabilize.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://news.gallup.com/poll/711992/ukrainians-sour-washingt..., it is worthwhile for European powers to give concessions to Trump, to achieve what? To bleed Russia more and hope that it somehow collapses (or suddenly decides to give up)? Despite the very real (bloody!) costs to Ukraine?
- ShadowOfThePit 1mo agoEurope is willing to fight to the last Ukrainian, or something.