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Initial focus for our partnership with Motorola is a regular non-folding device
- hannasm 2mo agoI recently heard Motorola is also a direct competitor with Flock... Couldn't this potentially be a conflict of interest / purpose?
- charcircuit 2mo agoIt makes sense for security cameras to be secure. Hacked security cameras are a big issue. Motorola investing in partnering with a more secure OS seems aligned.
- hexagonwin 2mo agoi believe that's not this Motorola (the phone company under Lenovo)
- newsomix9xl 2mo agoLet's do a nice candybar. I'll buy it.
- noman-land 2mo agoThis is a relief to hear. Also this is great unless Motorola is comprimised. Motorola is doing a large portion of the work of porting GrapheneOS to their devices. They'll provide us with what we need for firmware/drivers in the form we need it and it will be far easier than Pixels. We'll be able to get issues in the firmware and drivers fixed through Motorola and Qualcomm.
- bip-bop-robot 2mo agoQualcomm makes a good SoC, but the low effort software stack from ODMs do not showcase most differentiating capabilities. This might be net positive for Qualcomm. However, they will for sure fail to recognise that may just start a litigation against graphene OS.
- arcanemachiner 2mo agoI'm fairly ignorant as to whether Motorola, as a company, will make a good steward for this kind of arrangement. Does anybody have any inside baseball to share in terms of whether we can trust this arrangement to last longer than, say, a year?
- silisili 2mo agoNot sure they've ever done anything like this, so time will tell. I do know Motorola seems to not care much about software - they were still shipping 32 bit until embarrassingly recently, and are known for rarely updating their devices. From that lens, this could be a rather symbiotic relationship if it proves it can sell.
- Muromec 2mo agoTheir past record bin this area includes ezx and razr2 series built on vanilla Linux and it wasn't petty. Nothing was released on time, code was awful (4k lines of TTY multiplexer driver in 2.4 series ). No bueno. But the phones themselves were cool.
- bitwize 2mo agoGood. Would rather have a strong basic phone without flaky gimmicks.
- hankbond 2mo agoThis is great, I'll hopefully get one as my next phone when my Pixel 7 Pro dies.
- _blk 2mo agoYup. My last one took a rather quick end when a tiny bit of salty splash water got under the screen.. IP rating is only when it's fresh off production. Oh well, still a great phone (thanks to GrapheneOS)
- therein 2mo agoLooking forward to it. I will buy it right away.
- zb3 2mo agoThe question is whether the new gen Snapdragon Elite SoCs will finally support non-protected KVM? That would make native "linux terminal" (which has GUI support) work.. so far Qualcomm is the only flagship vendor that doesn't support it. And this feature currently works with pixels, hopefully it doesn't stop working with Motorola Signature.
- siwatanejo 2mo agoFor me the reason why this is a big deal is because, before there was any Motorola upcoming Graphene-compatible model, most people that might be installing Graphene would not trust Google with their phone software, to then go ahead and install Graphene in Google's hardware! A bit of a contradiction there.
- jmspring 2mo agoThis makes me curious to move off of ios.
- Cider9986 2mo ago$950 Signature (was not sold in US.) https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Signature-Dual-SIM-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B0GJDPMK4Q https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Signature-Dual-SIM-Unlocked-... https://www.motorola.com/gb/en/p/phones/motorola-signature/signature/pmipmje43mf https://www.motorola.com/gb/en/p/phones/motorola-signature/s... $1900 Fold https://www.motorola.com/us/en/p/phones/razr/motorola-razr-fold/pmipmjj43my https://www.motorola.com/us/en/p/phones/razr/motorola-razr-f... $1500 Ultra https://www.motorola.com/us/en/p/phones/razr/razr-ultra-2026/pmipmjk44m3 https://www.motorola.com/us/en/p/phones/razr/razr-ultra-2026...
- esalman 2mo ago2025 ultra is almost the same spec as 2026, and it's like $600.
- terribleperson 2mo agoI hope they try to bring Graphene OS to Motorola's mid-range devices, like the Moto G.
- notabotiswear 2mo agoBut how are they going stuff them chokeful of intrusive bloatware then?
- foresto 2mo agoThis is not the Motorola (USA) that many of us knew for ages. That company doesn't exist any more. The company working with GrapheneOS appears to be Motorola Mobility, owned by Lenovo (China).
- abhinavk 2mo agoThe original Motorola exists as Motorola Solutions in USA. Mobility was spun-off.
- raverbashing 2mo agoWell thankfully, because the original one was hopeless in shipping good mobile phones
- anal_reactor 2mo agoI got my first smartphone 14 years ago. It was a Samsung. It landed in trash after one year. Since then I've been on Motorolas because they're the only smartphones that tick these boxes: - SD card slot - audio jack - cheap - no shitty custom UI filled with ads and slowness
- embedding-shape 2mo ago> Motorola Mobility, owned by Lenovo (China). Praise be the lord for Chinese Motorola Mobility if so, because they were the ones who launched and shipped the Motorola Moto G phone which was probably the best cheap Android phone available that could fit into my hand properly, until the 5th/6th generation, when I had to move away from them as they too became too large. Hope they go back to their (Chinese) roots shortly and launch more "normal sized" phones again, if they'll be able to run GrapheneOS as well that'd be a huge plus obviously :)
- kuschku 2mo agoThe first three generations of the Moto G were developed under the US branch of Motorola Mobility, when they were owned by Google. That "growing too large to be useful" was exactly when they were sold to Lenovo.
- spankibalt 2mo agoA non-folder with a stylus option, an audio jack, microSD card slot and USB-C 3.2+ would be swell. In other words... a beefed-up update of the 2026 Motorola Moto G Stylus [1]. ;) 1. [https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_stylus_(2026)-14581.php https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_stylus_(2026)-14581...]
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- toast0 2mo agoWould be nice, although the thread makes it look unlikely for now; they say the flagship processors have security features they require. I've got a 2023 stylus 5G... Never use the stylus, but it was the most reasonable phone with a headphone jack, enough ram, and a qualcomm cpu. Of course, the three year update period from release ended in June, so I've got to find something new soon to stay updated. :(
- spankibalt 2mo agoYeah... I still hope Motorola might add an "Ultra"-tier Moto G Stylus to their portfolio with more RAM, better CPU and all the other mentioned features. The stylus for me is not just a convenience; it's extremely handy for a lot of tasks in SaSec (safety and security), e. g. on-site annotation of accident/crime scene pics or floor plans (say placement of fire safety sensors, et cetera).
- dekdrop 2mo agoNot having big rounded corners would be nice and practical.
- jauntywundrkind 2mo agoLooking forward to the years we we start having some usb4. Or usb4 v2, why not, full 120gbit please.
- terribleperson 2mo agoI was planning to make my next phone a Moto G Stylus. If they do a Graphene one, it'll be certain. My partner got the Moto G Stylus 2025 after we swore off Samsung last year. I've been very impressed. Other then the camera software, it's a very capable phone, and the headphone port and SD card slot are great. There's 90 gigabytes of lossless music on an SD card now. The camera software sucks, but thanks to a tip I think I heard here on HN, I installed a gcam (Google pixel camera) port and that's great.
- qwertytyyuu 2mo agoHopefully it will come to the razr line
- purpleidea 2mo agoI think the feature we all want in light of this is a simple backup+restore which uses a users SSHD server somewhere so you can wipe completely before travelling and then restore completely when safe again. Would obviously want it to also backup/restore esim's...
- Dylan16807 2mo agoI'll take a complicated backup+restore. I haven't been able to back up my apps since I had a Nexus.
- jbstack 2mo agoActually the main thing I want is to be able to use my phone however I like, and install whatever I want, without Google telling me whether I have their permission to do so or not.
- ulrikrasmussen 2mo agoI think that is hard to do securely - wiping the phone implies wiping the keys from secure storage, and those cannot be restored by design.
- amenhotep 2mo agoThen perhaps this entire security model is less useful for normal people who have to exist in the world than it is for secret agents in movies. If you're carrying around the nuclear secrets on your phone then being able to irrecoverably lock it with a simple button combo when the enemies are about to capture you is great! No matter how many of your limbs they cut off you'll never be able to give up the secrets! In the real world, though, the biggest threat is governments and the biggest interactions with them are planned ones at border security and they're perfectly happy to imprison you if you don't behave in the way they want, so it would really be nice to be able to smoothly and frictionlessly plan ahead for these foreseeable interactions by replacing sensitive data on the phone with uninteresting data that can be fully exposed when you're forced to unlock it, while being able to restore the real data later.
- moogly 2mo ago> Supporting a flip device with vertical folding would be a new form factor for GrapheneOS. The main use case for those is a tiny phone to use with one hand in the folded form factor. So, I've been using flip phones now exclusively since the Samsung Z-Flip3 (and will never go back to slab phones unless the flip segment disappears), but I almost never use the outer screen. Maybe that is just me, but I have a feeling it's pretty common.
- CommanderData 2mo agoAny info on how the baseband / modem is connected to the rest of the phone.
- surajrmal 2mo agoIt's going to be a Qualcomm setup. Any reason to think it'll be any different from usual?
- raffael_de 2mo agoWhy would they emphasize the non-folding? As far I am concerned foldable smartphones can get bent ...
- nemomarx 2mo agoThey mentioned that the graphene compatible phone would cost more than the pixels, and currently the only moto phones that expensive are all folding models. So there was speculation it would be based on that line.
- Muromec 2mo agoI only buy Motorola's for their folded design, used ones from eBay are 200 eurobucks and look cool. I guess another 5 years to wait for a legit open one, but hej, I'm waiting since a1200e.
- jftkrjti 2mo agoeurobucks is an abomination of a word what are you doing sur
- layla5alive 2mo agoCredit to Dave Jones (EEVblog)