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Here, you can find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_constructed_emotion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_constructed_emotion to be useful in artic

Here, you can find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_constructed_emotion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_constructed_emotion to be useful in articulating the following. > 3. The dichotomy between reason and emotion is a cultural construct, and neither grounded in neuroscience nor in logic. Guessing: Essentially that's psychology. And Human psychology is itself emergent behavior cannot be directly traced back to neuroscience. Logic, that is another thing, which primarily is used for understanding and reconstruct retainable after emotional experiences.

TheOtherHobbes 1mo ago
It's not psychology, it's just wrong. You can point to the parts of the brain (more accurately the body and brain) that handle reason and emotions, and they're physically distinct. Also, reason is essentially a combination of pattern recognition and abstraction, and emotion is a set of spontaneous limbic responses. Which is not to say there's no relationship between them, or that the grey area where they overlap isn't unusually interesting. But it's a wild overreach to say the distinction is a cultural construct and not grounded in (largely) mammalian biology. Points 1 and 2 are also questionable. They're not novel opinions, they have philosophical names (more or less consequentialism vs deontology, with some wrinkles), and they can be - and have been - hotly debated. I don't see them as evidence of maturity or of immaturity, more of a considered moral position that not everyone agrees with.
- disgruntledphd2 1mo ago
  Our measurements of the brain are derived from small samples, have a bunch of weird priors encoded in them and are mostly correlational, so I don't think we can make strong statements like in your first paragraph.
layer8 1mo ago
The theory of constructed emotion doesn’t say anything about the relation of emotions to reasoning.
- bigcat12345678 1mo ago
  My read: 1. Emotion has no biological marker, which refute the idea of mechanical connection between brain (and other body parts) to emotion 2. Reasoning, by general feeling, is a mental process carried out by brain primarily, but has a seemingly much stronger connection to biological signals 3. What I was inferring from the theory of constructive emotion, is that emotion really is a form of higher level reasoning. It's higher than the typical reasoning, so that it's connection with biological signals are extenuated and more indirect I don't remember the words of the book. This connection between reasoning and emotion is primarily my own rudimentary idea. Can be seen as an expolation of the theory.
  - layer8 1mo ago
    It seems very tenuous to me to characterize a biological process as “reasoning” only because it doesn’t map to certain biological markers. And we know that emotions are significantly influenced by processes outside the brain, in particular gut biology.

TheOtherHobbes 1mo ago

It's not psychology, it's just wrong. You can point to the parts of the brain (more accurately the body and brain) that handle reason and emotions, and they're physically distinct. Also, reason is essentially a combination of pattern recognition and abstraction, and emotion is a set of spontaneous limbic responses. Which is not to say there's no relationship between them, or that the grey area where they overlap isn't unusually interesting. But it's a wild overreach to say the distinction is a cultural construct and not grounded in (largely) mammalian biology. Points 1 and 2 are also questionable. They're not novel opinions, they have philosophical names (more or less consequentialism vs deontology, with some wrinkles), and they can be - and have been - hotly debated. I don't see them as evidence of maturity or of immaturity, more of a considered moral position that not everyone agrees with.

disgruntledphd2 1mo ago
Our measurements of the brain are derived from small samples, have a bunch of weird priors encoded in them and are mostly correlational, so I don't think we can make strong statements like in your first paragraph.

layer8 1mo ago

The theory of constructed emotion doesn’t say anything about the relation of emotions to reasoning.

bigcat12345678 1mo ago
My read: 1. Emotion has no biological marker, which refute the idea of mechanical connection between brain (and other body parts) to emotion 2. Reasoning, by general feeling, is a mental process carried out by brain primarily, but has a seemingly much stronger connection to biological signals 3. What I was inferring from the theory of constructive emotion, is that emotion really is a form of higher level reasoning. It's higher than the typical reasoning, so that it's connection with biological signals are extenuated and more indirect I don't remember the words of the book. This connection between reasoning and emotion is primarily my own rudimentary idea. Can be seen as an expolation of the theory.
- layer8 1mo ago
  It seems very tenuous to me to characterize a biological process as “reasoning” only because it doesn’t map to certain biological markers. And we know that emotions are significantly influenced by processes outside the brain, in particular gut biology.