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Voting is where the rubber meets the road. If they don't vote like they care, then they don't care for all intents and purposes.

• voakbasda 1mo ago
  Voting is choose between two terrible candidates, neither of which represent the majority of any group’s interests. No one ever elected has delivered 100% satisfaction to the majority of their constituents.
  • summerdown2 1mo ago
    > Voting is choose between two terrible candidates This framing makes it seem like the candidates are identically terrible. Which is never the case.
    • voakbasda 1mo ago
      Correct. They each offer their own unique flavor of extreme terrible.
      • Gormo 1mo ago
        And are able to capitalize on the fact that some voters are more afraid of terrible outcome A than terrible outcome B, and others are the reverse, to shoehorn both A and B into policy.
  • stouset 1mo ago
    Edited this after the fact to reduce the intensity of my tone. This “both sides” nonsense is not particularly convincing when one party literally has masked goons on the street sending people extrajudicially to concentration camps.
  • amavect 1mo ago
    A reminder to support approval voting, star voting, and proportional voting so we can end the 2 party system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.equal.vote/ https://www.equal.vote/
    • Gormo 1mo ago
      Approval voting is reasonable, but a ranked-choice ballot with either IRV or a Condorcet tabulation would be better. Proportional representation would be catastrophically worse than the status quo.
      • amavect 1mo ago
        Ranked choice is not better. It has the center squeeze effect.
        • ClayShentrup 1mo ago
          this! https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
      • ClayShentrup 1mo ago
        no, it would not be better. see voter satisfaction efficiency metrics from monte carlo simulation here. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
    • ClayShentrup 1mo ago
      score voting is simpler and better than STAR voting in every way, and approval voting is radically simpler and better in most scenarios. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth-funding-5776beefdd2b https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth... and PR is a red herring. https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representation-fallacy-553846a383b3 https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...
• Sohcahtoa82 1mo ago
  No candidate is going to perfectly match your desires. So voting becomes a measurement of where your priorities lie. Of course, media and the candidates themselves will use propaganda to manipulate your priorities. Right-wing media has done a great job convincing people that the greatest threat to them are trans women in women's sports and illegal immigrants.
  • stouset 1mo ago
    Given that the Republicans claim to be the “party of personal responsibility”, I utterly reject this attempt to frame its voters as the poor and unfortunate victims of manipulation and choose instead to hold them personally responsible.
    • mindslight 1mo ago
      Like most marketing you can basically invert it to arrive at the truth. Republican propaganda continually harps on about personal responsibility because Republican voters are lacking it and desperately wish they had some. The propaganda is a coping mechanism.
• stouset 1mo ago
  In other words, “the point of a system is what it does” applies to humans as well.
• s1artibartfast 1mo ago
  Alternatively, they can care about principles and issues that differ from that of the other party.