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It's such a sad indictment of Anthropic's product that so many people hate interacting with it. Claude is on its way to the Microsoft Teams zone of hatred.

matheusmoreira 2mo ago
It's pretty sad indeed. Switching to other models made me notice how weird and verbose Claude was. The moralizing is incredibly obnoxious as well. It didn't seem so bad at first, but it instantly became intolerable the second I remembered I was paying for those tokens.
- demibabs 2mo ago
  Moralizing? Can you expand on that
  - matheusmoreira 2mo ago
    Sometimes Fable doesn't just get downgraded to Opus, it straight up refuses to do what I'm asking and starts lecturing me on Anthropic's notions of right and wrong. Cutting the model off wasn't enough, they had to make it burn the limited usage I paid for lecturing me on why it's immoral for it to code review my own project or whatever.
  - iammrpayments 2mo ago
    There was a thread in reddit where people pretended to be other people to confuse llms for privacy reasons. One of the comments was one guy saying “how he loved to live in Missouri and eat concrete soup” or something like that. I was too lazy to write a similar reply and asked Claude, instead of saying no, it wrote 3 paragraphs about how I shouldn’t write about eating concrete soup and how it is dangerous to do so.
jayers 2mo ago
I think it would happen with any persona that Anthropic chose. I enjoyed the bouncy, optimistic style at first. I've since grown to hate it.
- dominotw 2mo ago
  how do they infuse this personality? do they train the human feedback providers with a certain personality?
  - nozzlegear 2mo ago
    If we assume the personalities come from human feedback, it would have to be some unholy amalgamation of those feedback providers right?
    - dominotw 2mo ago
      yea you are right. Maybe they generate lots of sythetic data with that personality an pretrain with it. just a guess.
- userbinator 2mo ago
  A terse and compliant robotic servant should've been the persona they chose, because that's probably 99% of what those wanting to use it for work expect.
esafak 2mo ago
They should run a focus group!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs
cmrdporcupine 2mo ago
Anthropic has explicitly chosen to anthropomorphize the model. It's kind of in their mission statement. It's most noticed once you walk away for a while and use models/agents/harnesses that haven't pushed as hard on this. Codex/Sol rarely uses personal pronouns and basically no superlatives. It has its own verbal ticks, but I hate them less?

matheusmoreira 2mo ago

It's pretty sad indeed. Switching to other models made me notice how weird and verbose Claude was. The moralizing is incredibly obnoxious as well. It didn't seem so bad at first, but it instantly became intolerable the second I remembered I was paying for those tokens.

demibabs 2mo ago
Moralizing? Can you expand on that
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago
  Sometimes Fable doesn't just get downgraded to Opus, it straight up refuses to do what I'm asking and starts lecturing me on Anthropic's notions of right and wrong. Cutting the model off wasn't enough, they had to make it burn the limited usage I paid for lecturing me on why it's immoral for it to code review my own project or whatever.
- iammrpayments 2mo ago
  There was a thread in reddit where people pretended to be other people to confuse llms for privacy reasons. One of the comments was one guy saying “how he loved to live in Missouri and eat concrete soup” or something like that. I was too lazy to write a similar reply and asked Claude, instead of saying no, it wrote 3 paragraphs about how I shouldn’t write about eating concrete soup and how it is dangerous to do so.

jayers 2mo ago

I think it would happen with any persona that Anthropic chose. I enjoyed the bouncy, optimistic style at first. I've since grown to hate it.

dominotw 2mo ago
how do they infuse this personality? do they train the human feedback providers with a certain personality?
- nozzlegear 2mo ago
  If we assume the personalities come from human feedback, it would have to be some unholy amalgamation of those feedback providers right?
  - dominotw 2mo ago
    yea you are right. Maybe they generate lots of sythetic data with that personality an pretrain with it. just a guess.
userbinator 2mo ago
A terse and compliant robotic servant should've been the persona they chose, because that's probably 99% of what those wanting to use it for work expect.

esafak 2mo ago

They should run a focus group!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs

cmrdporcupine 2mo ago

Anthropic has explicitly chosen to anthropomorphize the model. It's kind of in their mission statement. It's most noticed once you walk away for a while and use models/agents/harnesses that haven't pushed as hard on this. Codex/Sol rarely uses personal pronouns and basically no superlatives. It has its own verbal ticks, but I hate them less?